Hite emphasizes listening, need for healing
by thenotebook on Jun 27 2012 Posted in Latest news

William Hite is the superintendent of the Prince George's County, Md., School District.
by Dale Mezzacappa, Benjamin Herold, and Katie McCabe
If hired as Philadelphia school superintendent, William R. Hite Jr. said, the first thing he would do is travel the city and listen; once, as the principal of a new middle school, he knocked on the doors of 660 of the incoming 800 students.
As he made the rounds in a day-long series of meetings Tuesday, Hite painted a picture of himself as an engaged and focused educator, which got a warm response from parents, teachers and community members.
Listen to Benjamin Herold's radio report on the superintendent search for WHYY.
At the same time, Hite said that he was not eager to leave his current job in Prince George's County, Md., where he has been superintendent for two years and deputy superintendent for three years before that.
“It’s going to be a difficult decision,” said Hite, a new grandfather who came for the day's marathon meet-and-greet with his wife. “That’s why I'm using this time to really gauge the city of Philadelphia and to determine whether or not I need to make that choice."
Hite, 50, was the second of two superintendent finalists to meet with members of the public this week. The other finalist, Pedro Martinez, deputy superintendent in Clark County, Nev., was in Philadelphia on Monday.
Like Martinez, Hite said that he was impressed by the passion of stakeholders in Philadelphia and offered that the District had the potential to set the standard for urban school reform, despite its fiscal woes and the erosion of trust between its leadership and the public. “It’s uniquely positioned to do that,” he said.
At the same time, he said, from what he’s seen so far about the District’s reform plans, they need work.
“I’ve seen multiple plans -- plans for transformation, decentralization, a budget plan, a master plan. … How do you have a conversation about all those plans?”
After the listening tour and a third-party review of the “state of the district,” Hite said, he would sit down with the School Reform Commission “to really define what is the grand purpose of this work. … Right now, you see multiple plans to do multiple things, and it’s not really a part of, in my opinion, a coherent structure about what this work should be about.”
Audience members seemed to respond well to his commitment to listen, and Hite also spoke about a need for healing.
“That listening campaign is really so that individuals have an opportunity to share their anxieties, their fears, their disappointments, and discuss what has transpired the past six to eight months. I think that’s really important,” he said. “I also think that it creates an opportunity to begin to heal.”
On the hot-button issue of charter schools, Hite said he was “committed to a set of highly effective schools across the city” while being agnostic about who runs them. Responding to a question, he said he was basically in favor of creating a “portfolio” of schools, which is the District’s major reform thrust -- although he avoided using the term.
When talking about charters, he emphasized the need for accountability. He told parents that he believes in requiring charters to take special needs, behind-grade-level, and low-income students in percentages that are commensurate with surrounding neighborhoods.
To questions about whether charters should have enrollment caps and other restrictions, Hite said that it is important to be “intentional” about where charter schools go so that they can increase options in underserved neighborhoods and populations.
“What is important is that I’m interested in quality options. But I think regardless of the options, we need an accountability structure that looks at the performance of all those schools,” he said.
He mentioned that all the groups he met with during the day asked about charters, “except the students, which I think is interesting.”
Prince George's County, with 125,000 students in 205 schools, has just seven charters. Hite explained that the charter law in Maryland is very different from that in Pennsylvania.
Asked whether he sees himself as an educator or business person, Hite described himself as a “ lifelong learner … you have to be in this business. There are operational practices I need where I rely on individuals from the business world to help. There are educational practices I have to fall back on that are part of my experience and my zeal to gain knowledge.”
Hite has also had to deal with severe budget cuts -- $100 million in each of the last three years -- and some 3,000 layoffs. The district also closed eight schools – through a process, he said, that included 26 community meetings.
The teachers' union, the Prince George's County Educators' Association, released a statement Monday that it would be disappointed to see Hite leave if he were hired in Philadelphia.
“PGCEA has enjoyed a collaborative relationship with Dr. Hite during his tenure as Superintendent of the Prince George's County Public Schools and we will be saddened by the inevitable slowing of our reform agenda should he depart,” wrote PGCEA president Kenneth B. Haines. “The Board of Education, Dr. Hite's Executive Staff and the PGCEA Leadership team have worked hard to place student achievement at the center of every debate.”
Hite is negotiating a “performance-pay” contract with the union in the wake of a Race to the Top federal grant to Maryland. The grant required using a formula that included “value-added” criteria for student achievement to evaluate teachers. But Hite negotiated an agreement with the union that incorporated other measures in that component besides test scores.
He said he doesn’t yet have faith in the value-added concept.
“Here is my pushback on using that as the sole metric: We haven’t figured out how to do it yet, either in Maryland or in the country," Hite said. "How do you attach value to teachers over a period of time?”
He said that places that are doing so are “finding errors in those data” and said that in any case, he would want to use the data in a way that “gives us the information we need to improve practice.”
Asked about mistakes that he has learned from, Hite did not miss a beat; he said that one was when the administration he was part of created an internal atmosphere in which people were afraid to speak out.
He learned that it is necessary instead "to create an environment where people feel comfortable to share the type of information people need to hear,” he said.
Hite is a product of the Richmond, Va., schools; his mother worked in a department store, his father for the transit company. He was the first in his family to attend college, because of athletics – he played football at Virginia Tech, where he got a degree in marketing.
He later taught marketing in high school, then went back and got certified to teach middle school reading. He holds a master’s degree in educational leadership from the University of Virginia and a doctorate in educational leadership from Virginia Tech.
Before going to Prince George's County, he was an area assistant superintendent in Cobb County, Ga., outside Atlanta, supervising 15 schools and was director of middle school instruction in Henrico County, Va. He was also a middle and high school principal.
Like Martinez, the other finalist, Hite attended the influential Broad Superintendents Academy, which trains traditional and nontraditional educators to be urban school leaders.
He has 1,500 followers on Twitter (https://twitter.com/#!/PGCPSHite) and he engaged with Philadelphia tweeters throughout the day.
SRC member Wendell Pritchett, chair of the superintendent search committee, said he still hoped to make an offer to one of the two candidates on Friday.







Comments (34)
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 06/27/2012 - 08:44.
Actually, he said he was in favor of Value-Added. He said that instead of using test scores for 50% of the evaluation, he had used a number of other metrics such as attendance (which is required by NCLB). He was saying trying to say no, but I pushed him to admit that he favors using these scores for at least 30% which is required by Race to the Top and the Gates Compact. For some reason, he still wanted his official answer to be "No". I told him that I would take his answer to be "Yes.".
Submitted by Mike G. (not verified) on Wed, 06/27/2012 - 09:10.
Yes, you wouldn't take his answers as NO, no matter how hard he insisted. Way to go !! Just the fact that he wasn't honest, should be an alarm. By the way, folks who have a better frame of reference than you and I, say he's far more dismissive and offensive that anything else. In any case, the public should have had LOTS of input rather than none. The whole thing stinks. Dr. Hite seems to have the job.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 06/27/2012 - 11:59.
Yea, we saw. You were both annoying and disrespectful, trying to put words in his mouth. You obviously, had no intention of being even the least bit objective. He gave you an honest answer, you wouldn't accept it and decided to just state your own opinion and credit it to him. You are one of the people that give all teachers and nurses a bad name and make the administration not want to talk with us.
Submitted by Joan Taylor on Wed, 06/27/2012 - 13:40.
I did not find Lisa's question to be at all disrespectful. I thought her manner was polite. Her question showed that she was knowledgeable, and I would hope that Hite respects that. This man is going to cost us a lot of money and will wield great influence over the way we educate our children. Now is the time to ask questions that don't have easy answers. I wish we had more informed dialogue like this.
If a pointed question is enough to make the administration not want to talk to us, we've got an even bigger problem than I thought.
Submitted by Ken Derstine on Wed, 06/27/2012 - 13:59.
I agree. Are we going to be lemmings led off the cliff without a fight? If we don't ask tough questions now we will have to do it after they decimate the public schools by closing 65 of them which will be a much harder fight.
Submitted by Mike G. (not verified) on Wed, 06/27/2012 - 14:25.
Yes and that's why I keep bitching and moaning about the need for urgency on our part. Once they start closing schools in a big way, it's over. We can't wait and wait and.......................... JERRY, any thoughts??
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 09:27.
It's fun to watch the union panic as the inevitable comes to fruition. At least the "For the kids" mantra has been given up and exposed as the lie that it always was. We have people here who won't take a cent in concessions "For the kids" so no more teachers have to be laid off. Instead they throw the young teachers under the bus just so they can retain their gilded benefits packages. In reality, this is not about the kids or quality of education at all. This is about the union trying to preserve the status quo.
Submitted by Greg N. (not verified) on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 11:25.
bleat---continue on. There is no nobody left to lie to.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 11:40.
As I and many others understand, the PFT Union gave $30 million in concessions last year--READ the paper or watch the news before posting nonsense!!! So, in fact, the PFT Union gave concessions. As for your comment about "For the kids", the Philly teachers care about the kids----It's the District that cannot provide enough school supplies for the school children and the District that will not turn crumbling school bulidings into new fresh environments to learn in. Try being a Philly teacher and see how you do!!!
Submitted by Charles R. (not verified) on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 13:05.
He's a troll--just ignore him. I do.
Submitted by Education Grad Student (not verified) on Wed, 06/27/2012 - 22:05.
Lisa Haver was polite but tough in her questioning of Dr. Hite. There was nothing wrong with her interaction with Dr. Hite. We need people to ask the tough questions and demand that candidates demonstrate knowledge of the issues. His answers were honest and detailed, showing his knowledge of the issue of value-added measurement (VAM). He said he believes in VAM if it's used correctly and the methodology is sound. He acknowledged that there are many flaws in current methodologies for determining VAM.
With respect to VAM in his district, he said he had to operate within the parameters of the RTTT grant with respect to using VAM in his district. He acknowledged that VAM was a state statute, not just a program taking place in PG County. This is an issue over which he didn't have much control because it was a state statue affecting districts in Maryland.
I took some notes on the Q and A session. Here are my edited notes (obviously I was typing very fast):
Lisa Haver
- Retired teacher, 3 sons graduated from School District of Philadelphia
- Concerned about test prep in nonelective subjects
- One component of RTTT was value added grading of teachers and grading teachers with test scores, such as for placement and termination/retention.
- Do you believe that we need to have to diminish testing and VAM?
Dr. Hite's response:
- He believes in value-added as a component,
- 30% is statue in Maryland and 50% of the 30% is student performance on tests.
- He had to operate inside of the grant that the state won.
- Other components of VAM included discipline and attendance.
- His push-back versus VAM is when it is the sole metric because we haven’t figured out how to do it yet. How do you measure/attach value to teachers over a period of time. People do it but find errors in the data.
- Provide a process with type of information to help improve practive
- Use the Danielson framework
- Use student objectives as a part of a portfolio
- He's not interested in it as designed in other places. Would need to come up with a better way of doing VAM.
- Value added means student growth, not absolute value of the test scores.
Again, he impressed me with his knowledge of VAM. He didn't seem to be a big proponent of raising test scores for the sake of raising test scores. I liked that he emphasized the importance of using information to help teachers improve their practice. This is very important, showing that he is not anti-teacher. He believes in helping teachers improve. Again, it's important to look at his track record to see if it matches his statements, but his stated philosophy was very well-informed and educationally healthy.
Submitted by Mike G. (not verified) on Wed, 06/27/2012 - 14:22.
IF you believe what you just posted, you are the dumbest poster ever on this site............besides bleat.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 06/27/2012 - 14:59.
We must always consider the possibility that someone from 440 is posting comments like the one you responded to, not a teacher. Disinformation is one of the Broad methods. They do not like what they are doing brought to the light of day because they know if they tried to do it democratically there would be overwhelming opposition from parents and teachers.
Submitted by Lisa Haver (not verified) on Wed, 06/27/2012 - 11:40.
I am signing off on the first comment. Sorry for the confusion.
I agree with you Mike, that this "process" was an insult to the people of Philadelphia. Drive-by hearings are supposed to satisfy us. I do wish more people had come out to challenge it.
Lisa
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 06/27/2012 - 12:15.
I do have the courage to sign my name to my opinions. I invite you to do the same.
Lisa
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 06/27/2012 - 18:50.
What will Hite cost the SDP? He can't be another Ackermanesque package (pay, benefits, perks, etc.) If the SRC is going to challenge contracts - 1201, PFT, CASA - then all 440 administration salaries /benefits / perks need to be challenged.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 06/27/2012 - 20:53.
If Dr. Hite is half decent as a superintendent the board a Prince George County will up the ante. If doesn't come to Philly that'll be a sign that he was the real deal. If he does come...well...
Submitted by Education Grad Student (not verified) on Wed, 06/27/2012 - 22:15.
Just a question:
Was anyone else shaking their head when Mama Gail spoke? I sure was! She kept saying, "Please reconsider language" and she totally misconstrued his use of the term human capital. If I recall correctly, he never used human capital to refer to children, he used it an organizational sense, that is, when speaking of capacity building.
I thought it was interesting that she said "We need a black man here." She really said that. I can understand that having a Black superintendent makes sense given the District's demographics. Certainly, the superintendent needs to be sensitive to educational issues affecting Black communities in the city. However, we should be looking for a highly-qualified candidate of high integrity who will be transparent and do his/her best to work for the best interest of kids, not adults.
Mama Gail also mentioned that "It's usually not our community that is benefitting from our children." That's all fine and good, but she's friendly with Universal Companies. They are an organization founded and run predominately by African Americans, and we all know that Universal is shady and often times appears to not act in the best interest of African American children. Prime example: By not paying building costs and Vare and Audenreid, Universal has in effect stolen close to $1.8 million from a broke school district, a district serving a student population that is over 60% Black.
And her comments about the skin of our babies (Black children) being used for books, seriously, what was the point of that?
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 06:57.
The SRC panders to "Mama Gail" - she is given the floor for extended periods to time to talk about whatever she wants. Based on reporting, she set up the meeting with Universal and Creighton which led to the school being given to Universal. So, for all we know, Mama Gail is on the payroll for Universal.
While the SDP student population is 60% African American, there are 40% of students who are not African American. We saw how Ackerman represented African American interests and students - she denied for weeks that anything happened at Southern to the Asian American students. We don't need another superintendent who can not stand for all students, parents, constituencies, etc. It is obviously leadership in the African American community is backing Hite - the SRC did not select a very viable alternative candidate. Will Hite listen to the "Mama Gails" of Philadelphia or to a range of leadership?
Submitted by Joan Taylor on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 08:19.
It is an injustice to the African-American community and to all sentient beings to have to witness Mama Gail. She is a caricature. I did not see her on Tuesday night, but on Monday, she was an embarrassment, simply painful to watch.
Submitted by Dookie Washington (not verified) on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 10:23.
Totally. And, please, if someone calls themselves "Mama Gail" in the city of Philadelphia, we know there's something wrong with her in the head.
Was not surprised that Enon and Kenyatta et. al. are supporting this dude...and we have no idea who else is out there interested in this job who might be absolutely GREAT. Heck, they might even be Caucasian and do a great job. ;-)
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 12:01.
Mama Gail is an imbecile. Has she ever looked inward to see that her community is a train wreck? How about telling her youth to stop cursing, stop tattooing their faces, and stop throwing litter all over their neighborhoods......
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 06/27/2012 - 23:23.
Hi Ed Grad,
Your account is amazingly detailed and pretty much on the money. I did appreciate Dr. Hite's knowledge of the subject, and at one point, when I mentioned VAM as part of the Gates Compact, he told me he could see I had done my research. I never doubted his sincerity or honesty. I just couldn't understand why he said " I guess my answer is No" when he was saying he had used it and had no problem with using it again.
As for your other concern, perhaps you did not see Monday's show?
Lisa
Submitted by Education Grad Student (not verified) on Wed, 06/27/2012 - 23:50.
Lisa,
I wasn't able to see the Q and A on Monday. If the SDP puts it on the website for channel 52, I'll watch it. Did Mama Gail do something more outlandish on Monday?
I was pleased that you asked him specific questions about VAM because no one else raised this issue. There were a good mix of people who asked questions, and this allowed for the public to hear Dr. Hite's responses on a number of topics.
EGS
Submitted by abobymous (not verified) on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 08:00.
Oh yeah. Mama Gail was hilarious on Monday evening. Swaggered to the front of the line ahead of others who had waited, histrionically referencing her ancestors in a feigned manner suggesting perhaps even she did not believe her baloney. And she got away with it again. There were plenty of empty seats for the citizens who chose to stay home. Our democracy is in peril folks. Reading and commenting on the notebook is necessary but not sufficient. Important hearings such as occurred on Monday and Tuesday evening should be overflowing with courageous citizens willing to own their own opinions and engage in a respectful dialogue about the difficult issues facing our public school children.
Thanks Lisa Haver for respectfully engaging in the kind of dialogue needed with the candidate for superintendent.
Notebook reader comments consistently suggest thoughtful reflection by educators and community members. However, not enough people are reading the notebook to inform the public and to change the tide of public opinion from the disturbing antidemocratic national trends unfolding before us.
PLEASE, PLEASE consider becoming more vocally, visibly outspoken. Until Philadelphians become more informed and until the citizens demand justice for ALL students, the Broad Foundation folks will continue to bully their way to the top and the relatively small number of citizens who care are left watching the jawdropping antics of the likes of Mama Gail at community forums.
Submitted by anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 08:41.
EGS,
I just noticed that you addressed a question to L Haver but I answered it and I am not Lisa. (I also had a typo on the word anonymous.) Just clarifying.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 09:00.
I agree with your assessment of Mama Gail on Monday night. My husband and I followed the live streaming and he'd never seen her antics before. I thought that his jaw was going to hit the floor. Also, I think that you should keep abobymous. It distinguishes you from the rest of us and still protects your identity :)
Submitted by abobymous (not verified) on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 09:56.
Thanks anonymous. You just gave me a great idea! For the longest time it has annoyed me that the dialogue stops when one does not know which "anonymous" one would like to address. So I like my new moniker "abobymous" and I suggest others identify which "anonymous" they are by assigning a number- or their own creative fashion. BTW, my name is not "bob". :)
ideas- amikeamous/ ajamilahmous/ ajonamous, etc.....
Of course, the courageous could always try using their real name.
Submitted by Dookie Washington (not verified) on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 10:27.
Some people do want to risk losing their jobs or being targeted by resentful administrators. We know that can lead to a witch hunt in Philadelphia.
Submitted by Anon (not verified) on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:32.
I don't understand what power the SRC really thinks Mama Gail wields that they allow her to carry on like that. She is unbelievably disrespectful to the other community members that attend the Monday or Thursday meetings and wait patiently for their turn to speak. She is a consultant looking for contracts with the district same as Vernard Johsnon.
Submitted by Rich Migliore (not verified) on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 08:27.
I thought Lisa's question was very poignant and put forth in a perfectly fine manner. Yes, it was a challenging question and put forth in a challenging manner which is Lisa's style.
I thought Dr. Hite handled it in a head on manner and showed that he understands there are problems with VAM.
One of the values I stand for is that we need to have an "open climate" for "honest discussion and debate" about the issues of education and what really are the "best practices." There is nothing more invigorating to me than a healthy and passionate debate about critical issues that ultimately affect children, parents and teachers.
That is one of the reasons I was impressed with Dr. Hite. He appears willing to discuss these issues head on and he appeared to be willing to do it in a moral and ethical way. The true test of one's character is how they handle themselves in the heat of the trenches. In the end a person's true character always emerges and we see it in their actions. As we all know in Philadelphia, talk is cheap.
The validity, reliability and credibility of our student assessment practices, teacher and administrator evaluation practices, and school evaluation practices are critical issues we must have open and honest discussions about.
We need a leader who is open, honest, ethical, and ultimately -- Credible in Our Eyes.
Submitted by Education Grad Student (not verified) on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 15:46.
Rich,
Regarding your statement:
One of the values I stand for is that we need to have an "open climate" for "honest discussion and debate" about the issues of education and what really are the "best practices."
I totally agree. Unfortunately, it can be hard to have a healthy debate about this when some of the powers that be lack sufficient knowledge of education. When there is too much money/profit motive involved or when the main issues are budget related, then best-practices often take a back seat.
Submitted by Rich Migliore (not verified) on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 18:58.
Sad isn't it?
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