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Nutter calls arming school personnel 'insane'

By David Limm on Dec 21, 2012 03:36 PM

Mayor Nutter said today that the NRA's call for arming school personnel was "insane" and "ludicrous," according to the Inquirer:

“That message was an insult to the lives of those children,” the mayor said in an interview Friday, referencing the grade schoolers murdered a week ago in Newtown, Ct. “That we would face the prospects of shootouts in our schools, and utilize the precious and declining resources in public education to put armed personnel in every school is insane.”

The National Rifle Association earlier today called for placing a gun in every school. NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre said that adding armed guards, not gun control, is the best way to keep schools safe. "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," he said.

The Dignity in Schools Campaign, a human rights group that advocates for safer school polices and alternatives to harsh punitive practices, said in a statement that "we must not let this tragedy result in proposals that are not shown to make schools safer and can lead to terrifying, fatal mistakes."

The American Federation of Teachers and the National Education Association also renounced the notion of having guns in schools, calling instead for more preventive measures and investment in mental health services.

"Guns have no place in our schools. Period. We must do everything we can to reduce the possibility of any gunfire in schools, and concentrate on ways to keep all guns off school property and ensure the safety of children and school employees."

 

 

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Comments (27)

Submitted by Linda K. (not verified) on December 21, 2012 6:06 pm
Right.....better to build efficient schools with plenty of teaching supplies, doors and cameras that work and hire sane people to work in them
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on December 22, 2012 11:48 am
Nutter is against guns but he's fine with allowing Corbett to kill our kids' dreams by starving the schools. Nutter is the biggest bull... artist since Milton Street and all people of color know what he is. Uncle Tom comes to Phila. He knows where and how his bread is buttered so he'll be fine after his term as Mayor is up.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on December 22, 2012 7:12 pm
Ah, the cancer of Philadelphia racism -- alive and well in the 21st Century.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on December 22, 2012 8:00 pm
Huh??
Submitted by Darryl Johns (not verified) on December 21, 2012 6:19 pm
When I heard the NRA executive Wayne LaPierre make his comments I thought he was referring to some alternate universe. His answer to school violence is ...add more guns. That's nuts! Five years ago, after the Virginia Tech murders Mr. LaPierre called for armed guards in the colleges. The man is consistent, wrong, but consistent. Thank you Mayor Nutter for a plainspoken rebuke of the NRA's recommendation.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on December 22, 2012 10:19 am
They have armed teachers in some school districts in Texas. You won't hear about it because there will be no mass shootings there. The mass shootings only happen in "Gun Free" zones.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on December 22, 2012 11:41 am
I think psychologists call your condition denial. http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2012/12/the-list-the-deadliest-mass-shoo...
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on December 22, 2012 1:46 pm
None of the places listed are schools where there is an armed presence. Try again.
Submitted by Tara (not verified) on December 22, 2012 4:49 pm
Columbine HS not only had an armed security officer, but the guard exchanged shots with one of the killers.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on December 22, 2012 5:15 pm
He wasn't there at the time of the attack. He was called in. That's too late, just as we have seen with Sandy Hook.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on December 22, 2012 10:18 am
Do you believe in the tooth fairy too? http://www.statehealthfacts.org/comparemaptable.jsp?ind=113&yr=92&typ=3&...
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on December 22, 2012 2:59 pm
And what does that have to do with an armed presence in schools?
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on December 22, 2012 12:31 pm
Given his miserable record of getting violent crime to drop in Philly I think Mayor Nutter should give up his own bodyguards and risk it like the average Philly citizen has to every day. A show of solidarity.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on December 22, 2012 2:13 pm
Mutter, I mean Nutter, has NO interest in anything concerning the poor of Phila. He's the prototypical 1%er wanna be.
Submitted by Snappy Doodle (not verified) on December 22, 2012 7:04 pm
Hey, we've got bike lanes though! Take that gun crime!
Submitted by Linda K. (not verified) on December 22, 2012 9:05 pm
Too many of my former students have been affected by gun fire in the home, neighborhod and yes, even outside of the school. We do not need guns, there are too many of them and..... BULLETS REALLY NOT CARE WHAT COLOR YOUR ARE, HOW MUCH MONEY YOU OR DO NOT HAVE, OR IF YOU ARE MENTALLY ABLE TO OPERATE ONE. Can there be a sane discussion about the safety of all of us who work with children in the SDP and leave the foolishness alone? Especially those comments from ANON.......no name and no solutions. Linda K.
Submitted by Ralph De (not verified) on December 22, 2012 10:24 pm
Putting armed cops in every school is insane but sadly, that seems to be the only solution in a country where there are more guns then people. I am totally against guns but the NRA raised some important issues. Video games, movies, thats all u see is gun violence. Lets face it. This is a gun country right now and the only way to stop people with guns is other people with guns. Just arm everyone to solve the problem. What should be done is get rid of all the guns. That will take 100 years. So stop complaining and get your gun because this is the country u live in.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on December 23, 2012 12:20 am
You heard of stand your ground? I'm going to stand my ground and NOT get a gun. This country spends $700 billion a year on national "defense", more than the rest of the world combined. Yet we have become the most paranoid people on earth going to the point that we think we will be safe if everyone has a gun. We require people who want to drive a car to get training and a license, but guns are as easy to get as candy! Like Benjamin Franklin said, those who give up liberty for security deserve neither.
Submitted by Polish translator (not verified) on December 26, 2012 3:46 am
Then, the school would be oppressive and pretty dangerous.
Submitted by Violet (not verified) on December 26, 2012 8:15 am
Dare I boast conservative beliefs in a liberal publication that crush the perceived rights of our children, but we as a country have the right to bare arms to protect ourselves from not only bodily harm but the wrongful pursuit of organized government designed by our fore fathers to be larger than opinions of one or a few men. The proverbable price tag for freedom is garunteed by dedication and loyalty to God, country, and last thyself. Th pledge of alligance, designed, to unify this conformity is rarely said in public (high) schools in fear of offending those personal rights our government defends with military and scocial programs. Guns don't kill people the uneducated, undisciplined, and unmoral kill people. Guns in our school and in our society should be as common as pen. The pens of the world scribe doctrines to rule by humane standard procted by elite military force, guided by men and women dedicated to God and country. Our jobs as educators are to afford our students the right to have choices and be loyal to God, country and thyself. Armed personel with concealed weapons may lessen tragedy without the affect of marshall law.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on December 26, 2012 9:48 am
As for bare arms, why not arm bears?
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on December 26, 2012 12:23 pm
Only if you can prove that you are not arming your average bear and have removed all picnic baskets from the premises.
Submitted by randy phillips (not verified) on December 27, 2012 8:36 pm
Does Mayor Nutter enjoy the protection of armed security personnel? If this is such an ineffective means of protection, why do we see so many Philly Policemen around city hall or at the sports complex, or on SEPTA or at Temple/Jeff/Drexel/, etc.? Looking at the instances of school violence against children compared to violence against politicians, I think our children are in more need of armed protection. Or maybe it's because they offer such an easier target, being that protecting them is such a crazy idea. I don't get why people view this as a crazy idea. It seems to work at other areas it is employed. Maybe not perfect but close to it. When’s the last time we’ve had an attack on city hall or at an Eagles/Phillies game? The deterrence alone would probably curb these attacks and add that to the times guards can actually intervene only increases the chance this could be prevented. For me, this is a no brainer.
Submitted by randy phillips (not verified) on December 27, 2012 8:33 pm
Actually this would be a perfect role for Homeland Security Officers. I just don't want to see them getting involved in student affairs. Just guard the schools against external threats.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on December 29, 2012 10:39 am
Mayor Nutter has an armed security force 24-7 . I suggest that Mayor Nutter give up his protection to show us how crazy it is to have armed security. I think it's crazy that the best idea to protect ourselves in a school is to lock a glass door and hide. There are several school district personnel that have permits to carry and would be will to protect themselves and the children that no one else wants to protect.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on December 31, 2012 8:01 pm
People armed to the teeth, the natural extension of this thinking, as a boundary, sounds like war. No one would argue people are safer in a war zone. And, why do we accept limits on our ability to arms? Should a citizen be able to buy C-4, or a grenade launcher? It's the high firing capacity rifles and hand guns which need to be recognized for what they are. They are mechanisms for one to de-humanize another. They are death.
Submitted by Employee (not verified) on January 2, 2013 10:53 am
All class room doors can be locked to people entering but remain open for students and teachers to exit. How about making it mandatory that a teacher has his/her door in the locked position at all times, this would prevent anyone without the key from entering their class room. Instead of fumbling with their keys in an emergency the door just needs to be closed to lock. This small step could save many lives. Just a thought!

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