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Where did thousands of students from closed schools go? First reports are in

By Paul Socolar on Dec 23, 2013 10:54 PM

Just-released 2013 enrollment numbers from the School District show that the overwhelming majority of students displaced from closed schools ended up in other District schools.

The new reports on District, charter, and alternative school enrollments reveal some significant movement of students between schools this year and include the first publicly released data about where the students who were displaced by 24 closings in June have ended up.

The 213 District schools that remain open took in 5,763 of the students who moved out of closed schools. The closings resulted in an enrollment increase at the remaining District schools averaging 5 percent.

The city's 86 brick-and-mortar charters took in only 511 students from closed schools, but charters saw their overall enrollment climb by 5,000 students. No data have been provided yet on cyber charter enrollments. Counting cybers, about one-third of all Philadelphia public school students are now enrolled in charters.

Alternative schools took in 68 students from closed schools, and the District's new virtual academy enrolled 26 of the displaced students. 

At some District schools designated as "receiving schools," the influx of new students was dramatic. Four schools saw their enrollments more than double: Duckrey Elementary, Penn Treaty Secondary School, Rhodes Elementary, and Roosevelt Elementary.

The District has not yet provided a complete accounting of how many students were displaced from closed schools and their whereabouts. Officials say nearly 600 are still unaccounted for; they say they can only track students who don't appear in a District school or charter if the families ask for transcripts or other records to be sent to another district or to a non-public school. 

Readers can compare the new data to fall 2013 District enrollment projections for schools previously published by the Notebook.

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Comments (59)

Submitted by Annonym (not verified) on December 24, 2013 1:04 am
Why did charter enrollment increase by 5000? Is this because of Renaissance Charters? Darden's "give the charter's everything" regime? Charters defying enrollment caps?
Submitted by Annonym (not verified) on December 24, 2013 1:00 am

Listen to Anthony Williams on Radio Times - All he does is pump up himself and trashes on anyone who questions him. He also slickly lies.  (He also calls for removing federal mandates... He is a total contradiction.)

Submitted by Joe K. (not verified) on December 24, 2013 10:20 am
No, there is no contradiction, this guy couldn't possibly care less about the kids of other parents. They're just globs of protoplasm with dollar signs on their backs to him and others of his ilk. They'll all run to church tomorrow wearing their Sunday best with the US Flag lapel and pretend to care about the poor while shafting the poor as often as humanly possible. Obama will be there too.
Submitted by Go-Eagles (not verified) on December 24, 2013 10:26 am
It was Anthony Williams that proposed vouchers several years ago. At least, you know where he stands. What you see is what you get. It's the liberal, er I mean progressive way, keep'em down, particularly as low information voters. He'll get reelected again, again and again. Hope and change, hope and change. Merry Christmas Joe.
Submitted by Joe K. (not verified) on December 24, 2013 11:06 am
Yep, bad news and mostly because of the state of race relations in 2014, cretins like him and Nutter and Obama can do damn near anything they want, and still be reelected again and again, cutting the throats of the very same people who "elected" them in the first place. Even after Obama has carpet bombed his own people, if he strolled into Philly tomorrow, huge crowds of lemmings, I mean people would show up to worship him.
Submitted by Joe K. (not verified) on December 24, 2013 11:47 am
Happy Festivus to you too........................if Romo plays, the Birds go down. Like The Pope, I am infallible in several areas.
Submitted by Go-Eagles (not verified) on December 24, 2013 2:46 pm
Kyle Orton. Are you kidding me? I'm hearing Tim Tebow. Happy Kwanza Joe.
Submitted by Go-Eagles (not verified) on December 27, 2013 9:15 pm
Well Joe, you are fallible. Romo is out. Orton is in, maybe Kitna. If the Eagles lose, well, we don't want to go there.
Submitted by Joe K. (not verified) on December 27, 2013 9:36 pm
No, I knew Romo would have surgery this morning and would miss the Birds. If the Boys win, Romo will play the next game. Mark it down. Actually, the Eagles are a bit too cocky and I wouldn't mind their losing. Kyle Orton has a neck beard which is a combination of weird, very weird and creepy, a bad combination. The Birds might be afraid to get too close to him. Boys 24, Birds 16.
Submitted by Go-Eagles (not verified) on December 27, 2013 10:12 pm
Shady McCoy will run wild on that Boys defense. Birds 31 Boys 17 BTW, every time you post, you remind me of Glenn Ford in Blackboard Jungle. Then again, you also remind me of those kids in the movie, just like your experience at SJP. Maybe both?
Submitted by Joe K. (not verified) on December 28, 2013 9:40 am
What defense?? Without Lee, they ain't got none. Glenn Ford-------------How old are you, like 200????????? Blackboard Jungle, for cripes sake !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Submitted by Joe K. (not verified) on December 28, 2013 10:56 am
Actually, I've always liked the Cowboys but not so much the Eagles. Detest all things Ryan. Both of Buddies's kids are obnoxious as was Buddy, of course. McNabb choked too much. Liked Reggie White even if he thought "Mexicans are always sneakin up on people." Norman Braman was................well, you know what he was. Like Lurie but not Banner. Liked Lurie's wife A LOT. Best Offensive Line in Football. Blackboard Jungle !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on December 24, 2013 10:22 am
Mr. Williams will do more harm as Mayor then our Mayor today because of his stand on Charter schools. We better keep a close look at Mr.Williams
Submitted by tom-104 on December 24, 2013 5:39 pm
In the Radio Times discussion, Senator Williams several times said that "it is an insult to poor children" to say that poverty is a major factor in their struggles with education. This is music to the ears of every ALEC legislator. It is straight out of the the playbook of Michelle Rhee and The Broad Foundation. It gives them carte blanche to underfund schools in low income urban areas. Children in school districts with many high income families and private schools are not told to pull themselves up by their boot straps! Senator Williams is nothing but a demagogue ("a political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument.").
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on December 25, 2013 5:17 pm
IT may be an insult to him in that he clearly thinks that stealing, lying and cheating are the tools to be used by the poor when they can not get anything, after all we got rid of child labor. Linda K.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on December 24, 2013 7:18 am
The data is so suspect to the point of being incorrect......even with the correct staff, transfers and paperwork take forever...folks don't pick up paperwork, parents just arrive with the child and with a drivers id, house bill indicating the area where they live etc the child is in..... I have gone past the school office looking for phone numbers and told to check the pockets......there are always tons of kids without pockets and pockets that have not been sent anywhere. When I ask why this is, it is always the same "we don't know where the kids is or we are still waiting for the kid to arrive" and the circle continues. 500 kids total to transfer from a few closed school to just one brick and mortar? old school that closed had about that number give or take....I find it hard to believe that they all got accepted to charter, especially when I hear of the all the drama at the schools where they are now located and the issues with administration. Linda K.
Submitted by Joe K. (not verified) on December 24, 2013 10:00 am

Linda---Unless the crooks and their torpedo peeps are stopped, you won't have to worry about pockets anymore. They're doing their best to END UNIONS and pick and choose how to make money off the backs of the kids for the mini corporations, AKA Charters. The PEOPLE need to demand justice. 

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on December 25, 2013 5:17 pm
The secretaries [those few left] can send the transcripts when requested. Often my school secretary says that charter schools, private schools, out of state schools and even schools in the SDP don't send the records. Add this to the fact that parents often assume that all the paperwork will be done when reality is different. By non compliance and indifference we contribute to the data or lack thereof. case in point: I had my school ops officer complain I send too many letters home. I informed her of the policy regarding failure and that to me failing means saying something when the grade drops. She suggested I put the notes in the kids book bags. As a specialist teacher with 800 kids I make notes on my own computer at home with my own paper and ink plus my own envelopes and return address. I get that the cost of mailing things per school is not free, but let's get real. I do my job but calling 800 kids on the school phone or my own is unrealistic. I told the school ops officer when an irate parent comes to me about a child's grade, I would send that person to her [as though the $$ for postage comes from her pocket] As the year progressed I went from 400 down to having to mail just 2 letters for the final report. While the year progressed I got and shared correct phone and home addresses for the office, classroom teacher, security and the dean of discipline. But then, by not doing what needs to be done, there is the chaos of the school. I will never know who needed an address but as far as I am concerned it helps with classroom discipline and efforts by the children to improve. Linda K.
Submitted by Poogie (not verified) on December 24, 2013 2:08 pm
You are right. The SDP does not know how many students it has enrolled or how much is spends. I have experience with real organizations and the insanity that passes for management is beyond belief. No one knows what they are doing and they really only care about enhancing their midget power fiefs. The people at 440 could not manage a one car funeral or hot dag cart (clearly beyond their collective keens) that is why Charter operators will take over and steal the place blind. The theft wilkl not really require the cooperation of 440 their sloth and incompetence will do the trick.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on December 25, 2013 5:50 pm
I will be borrowing that expression--mange a one car funeral as well as a hot dog cart Linda K.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on December 24, 2013 8:18 am
The fact that some of the schools can handle a doubling of students just shows you how inefficient and underutilized some of the schools were before. As charters continue to grow, this process will need to be duplicated over and over.
Submitted by Annonym (not verified) on December 24, 2013 9:52 am
No, it is a testament to teachers/staff going above and beyond to create school environments that are welcoming and nurturing. We received additional students - it has been very difficult but we are professionals and caring adults. There has been NO support from 440. Everything falls on the individual schools. Meanwhile, we have far fewer resources than charters. (Remember, charters had no cut in funding - they actually received 8% more this year. Meanwhile, some charters also reap the funding of the privateers vis-a-vis Phila. School Partnership and their ilk.)
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on December 24, 2013 1:11 pm
Handling as in the use of space is one old school was built for 900, house 1200 and then closed with less than 400. Staff wise, with the exception of teachers [and there are still classes with more than the 22 suggested for grade 5 vs the automatic 33] having just one secretary, no counselor or a counselor for just a day or two a week, no v.p., one security staffer who is split with another school, and two non teaching assistants, does not mean a school absorbing up to 500 students to round up the school numbers to 1000 is by any means handling. Add that yes, do have some faculty who were not working too hard in the first place and now claim that they are not going to "stress themselves for Dr. Hite" only adds to the foolishness. Further add the new staff who are really trying but are expected to act like they have been at the job for 5 years when all they got were practice teaching in a more educationally conducive school and then the administration is writing up a good third of the staff [slackers and newbies together]. I am glad that where I have moved is better, but then as the art teacher, I know that the grade teachers have a lot more to say about the core curriculum, staff and administration. Linda K.
Submitted by tom-104 on December 24, 2013 2:51 pm
We have got to understand that this is a man-made crisis. It did not have to be this way. Since the state takeover in 2001, when the state failed to turn a significant portion of the District over to Edison Schools, there has been a systematic policy to starve the public schools to make charter schools appealing to parents. This includes during the Vallas and Ackerman years. Vallas used funding for building new schools many of which, such as Audienreid, have become charters. Ackerman used increased funding from federal stimulus money and the Rendell Administration to fund Renaissance Schools, Promise Academies, and charters while cutting budgets of individual traditional schools and running up the deficit to historic heights. We are like the frog in the pot on the stove. We just adapt as the temperature rises until it is too late when the pot begins to boil!
Submitted by Joe K. (not verified) on December 24, 2013 3:20 pm
Excellent analogy, Tom 104. Yes, many of the teachers on this sight, remain concerned about folders, chalk, pockets, lunches, lack of counselors and LOTS of other well intended, heart felt issues WHILE NOT SEEING the black helicopters hovering overhead. These scum bags are trying to KILL us, kill Democracy and the rights of all working adults, kill the possibilities of poor becoming advanced etc. When you're bleeding to death, it's time to stop the bleeding and by any means necessary. Thank You for all your work on everybody's behalf. Torches and Pitchforks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on December 25, 2013 1:38 pm
Thanks to then Secretary of PA Ed, Zogby, Edison was given a couple million to "study" their takeover of the school district. Their conclusion, surprise surprise!, was that Edison should take over the ENTIRE school district. Thankfully they were stopped. Look at how they ran Chester's school district into the ground and that was alot smaller. Eventually Edison was fired and run out of town just like they were all over the USA.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on December 25, 2013 4:37 pm
Are we able to predict the same for what is happening now?...I say $$$ is the root, and when there is more, then more folks will jump on the band wagon. As for the unions, I had an interesting talk with my mom a retired teacher who served 34 years. I grew up in public school where every room had a phone that worked and an intercom. My mom told me that was not always the case. Had it not been for unions things would have been as they were in 1953 when she started teaching. NO phone required for anyone. Not even the nurse. I was stunned. How could you not have a phone or even a walkie talkie for the person who cares for the ill or emergency situation? My mom said it was years before the nurse's office even got air conditioning. Once again it was the work of the union. I was stunned again. Now we have schools with no nurse, or just a part time nurse, and inoperable phones in schools. My mom remains active as a retiree in her union in New Jersey....she sets the example for me.....I also found out that she had been building rep.....just like her daughter. Still learning, Linda K.
Submitted by Paul Socolar on December 24, 2013 9:04 am

Some special admission high schools - Central, CAPA, Saul - took no students from closed schools. Others took only a few. Several, like the three Parkway high schools, took a few dozen.

Submitted by Annonym (not verified) on December 24, 2013 9:20 am
I assume the vast majority went to neighborhood high schools. Special admission schools still required students to meet their requirements including Keystone test scores.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on December 25, 2013 4:39 pm
Many of our kids don't even bother to apply because they don't think that they can get in, rather would be with their friends and no one encourages them. One kid I had was art scholarship all the way and when she was accepted into CAPA her folks said they were not sending her that far away to school. Those same folks did not show for her award ceremony, but then I don't know that she bothered to tell them. They may have gone with her and maybe let her go to CAPA but she now attends Bartram and goodness knows what she will gain there unless she get with the right crowd. Linda K.
Submitted by reformer (not verified) on December 26, 2013 12:46 pm
this is a ruse. announce that you are expanding seats in selective admissions schools. sounds like a good idea until you figure out that they've not lowered the admissions standards. so sla west will only cannibalize sla center city. the result is that motivated students who don't test into special admit schools are most likely to seek charters. if you want to know why neighborhood high schools will never work, this is why.
Submitted by Ken Derstine on December 24, 2013 10:32 am
Check out Will Bunch's column in today's Daily News if you want to see another head of the many headed monster we confront: What does Philly schools funder Mark Gleason want?
Submitted by Annonym (not verified) on December 24, 2013 11:58 am
Gleason is making $236,000 with benefits yet he trashes on teachers. He failed at previous entrepreneurial attempts so now he will make his gold off of public tax dollars. Wonder which public high school his kid goes to... Did his kid get in because of Daddy or because he made the cut??? Did this school receive money from the Phila. School Dictatorship?
Submitted by Joe K. (not verified) on December 24, 2013 10:34 pm
Yes, isn't it ironic that he makes 3 times the average teacher salary but wants to reduce our salaries, along with our civil rights and working conditions ?? Anybody who takes this carpetbagger seriously has a screw loose !! AGAIN, what are WE prepared to do to stop all this abuse ? The Black Choppers are HERE, people !! Jerry ??????
Submitted by Go-Eagles (not verified) on December 25, 2013 10:44 am
I smell a drone strike.
Submitted by Joe K. (not verified) on December 25, 2013 9:42 am
Yes, it's a giant money grab for all the crooked Pols and their charter peeps. They picked Philly first because we're the lowest hanging fruit-----PFT.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on December 26, 2013 7:14 am
Renaissance operators had a greater increase than regular charters and the district. All of the students sent to schools operated by six corporations. Renaissance is the big issue that will change and destroy public education.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on December 28, 2013 8:55 am
Talking about crooked, anyone know the salary of Jerry Jordan, Joe, Joe are you there ????????
Submitted by Joe K. (not verified) on December 28, 2013 10:44 am
I is here, comrade. Maybe Jerry falls into the Gibroni Group too. I isn't sayin he don't. Maybe a POX on his house too but that doesn't exempt the other crooks from criticism. Actually, I don't know his salary but I doubt a "Beef and Beer" night is needed for him.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on December 28, 2013 1:56 pm Jerry's salary. I think it's a low ball number. This article is enlightening. It shows how everyone at every level is gaming the system.
Submitted by Joe K. (not verified) on December 28, 2013 3:28 pm
Anything Breitbart connected is right out of Fox Noise and so suspicious. Also, nobody is saying unions are perfect but the alternative is total tyranny which is spreading now in all directions. Be careful what you wish for, comrade. The Working Class NEEDS to have protection against the "Ruling Class" and always will. In a couple months, Billy Longshanks and The Rooster will try to close another 30 schools; Maybe then the people will respond loud and long or as George Patton liked to say, "They'll become hostile and mobile."
Submitted by anon (not verified) on December 29, 2013 9:33 am
i don't get what all these teacher union haters at breitbart are carrying on about. 16,000 teachers with 3122 total days put in for jury duty in a year. that sounds low to me. that'll cover, on average for the typical teacher, a jury summons about every five years with one day off to report to court and never getting picked for a trial. what's the beef? i'd take that in a heartbeat. don't you love it when you encounter a whole slew of rabid right-wing morons and not one of them is willing to stop foaming for a moment to do the math.
Submitted by Annonym (not verified) on December 29, 2013 11:49 am
Jury duty is given to registered voters. When I get a notice for jury duty, I am obligated to respond. I have asked to be excused during the school year but many teachers go for the one day and then are excused. A few have taken a trial and miss school. Jury duty is necessary if we believe the legal system is legitimate. They aren't taking off for a vacation.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on December 30, 2013 4:36 pm
I always put a date close to the end of school and it has been honored... .I state that I am an employee for the city and the state as a teacher in this district. No problems since 1991. Linda K.
Submitted by Joe K. (not verified) on December 29, 2013 1:39 pm
They can't do 2 things at once and foaming comes naturally to them.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on December 30, 2013 4:27 pm
I have been called every two years without fail for jury duty since I was 18, when I was in college, working as a student assistant, during my college and graduate internships, as a sub and even while working three jobs to sustain myself through student teaching. We teachers do not put in for jury duty and trust and believe we do not get called on average every 5 years. I have been picked 8 times and only once did the case take a day. Please let me know where you are getting your facts on this because I really would not mind having jury duty just once every 5 years for a day. Linda K.
Submitted by Annonym (not verified) on December 30, 2013 5:32 pm
I find it ironic that there are complaints about people serving on juries. Have the posters ever read the Bill of Rights. Juries of one's peers are integral to the legal system. There are certainly far too many examples of how the jury system has been misused and abused but if no one other than retirees or the unemployed are willing to serve on juries, we have a problem. Doing one's civic duty should not be questioned.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on December 29, 2013 11:53 am
Most people don't do jury duty that often, only retirees. If you go to any other large employers in town, there's not another anywhere near 4% jury duty service. The implication here is that they'd rather be somewhere other than work. The math is not on your side.
Submitted by anon (not verified) on December 29, 2013 12:32 pm
where do you get your data from? first of all, i get a notice every 2-3 years to appear, not 5 years. second, there's no getting out of it unless you're willing to perjure yourself. most judges don't care if you're a teacher. the school district will hire a sub? not a hardship. you're in. on the other hand, if you're an independent contractor, the judge might be more likely to consider the financial hardship. as for your 4% figure, that equates to getting picked for a trial once every 25 years. where do you come from where that's a high figure? north korea? i think you'll find that teachers are a more civic minded group than your average sales hustlers on the street. perhaps that's why the number seems high to you.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on December 29, 2013 5:36 pm
My point, my angry little friend, is that leaving a civic responsibility you get paid for to attend to another that plenty of others could do isn't a good deal for the civics. This isn't about paying taxes or a fair criminal justice system. If this was the only thing, nobody would care. But add all your holidays, summers off, plus your generous sick and personal day allotment and it's a bit much to the non - governmental worker. Now we're not going to agree, but I'll not stoop to name calling. Happy new year.
Submitted by anon (not verified) on December 29, 2013 6:58 pm
but this discussion is about a fair criminal justice system. the concept of a defendant having the right to a trial before a jury of one's peers is a time-honored idea that is at the heart of our legal system. if you were an innocent defendant on trial for your freedom, you would want intelligent, thoughtful, productive people judging you - not professional jurors or idle people with no other pressing demands on their time or people too ignorant to understand the intricate details of a case. you seem to think that teachers are in cahoots with the court system to milk the taxpaying cow over jury duty. seriously? once again to run the numbers for you, if 4% of the teaching work force (your figure, not mine) serves on a trial in any one year, then that teacher on average will not serve again for another 25 years. i hardly think that is too high a price for society to pay for a jury of peers. you folks in the private sector need to pick up some of the slack here. we're trying to keep this ship on course for you, but there's a lot of dead weight out there in the private sector hogging all the resources and acting as a drag on us.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on December 30, 2013 4:04 pm
how many holidays do we teachers get?....please tell me. how many days off in the summer do we get?.....please tell me and then tell me where you get your information..... Linda K.
Submitted by anon (not verified) on December 30, 2013 8:32 pm
to the notebook: whoever is wielding the big eraser around here of late appears to be a bit heavy-handed in their use of it. it seems to me that two adults having a heated discussion (minus profanities) over serious matters of policy that affect our children's education as well as our own professional livelihoods ought to be able to engage in a little back and forth without instigating censorship by this publication. there are more than a few comments here that demand more than a moderate response. "fair and balanced" in the fox tradition is not something you need aspire to.
Submitted by Paul Socolar on December 30, 2013 11:52 pm

Hi -  The Notebook's editorial staff are all authorized to take down any comment that include profanity, defamation, name-calling, or other offensive language (eg, racism). No comments are deleted because of the point of view. We give even anonymous commenters like yourself latitude to argue any position you choose so long as you comply with the terms of use you can read below. Engage in civil dialogue and you won't have a problem.

The one exception worth noting is that if you reply on a thread that has objectionable content rather than starting a new thread, your response is going to come down as well when we clean things up - that's just how the site works. So don't waste your time posting a reply to a comment with those four-letter words ... better yet, flag it as objectionable.

Submitted by anon (not verified) on December 31, 2013 9:32 am
thanks for the response, though i'm still not sure what triggered deletion of my comments; one man's name-calling is another man's well chosen adjective. meanwhile, the powers that be continue to float bill green's name as the next src chairman. read his positions on public schools if you really want to get depressed. jordan & co. seriously need to crank up some legal challenges before this zealot gets his hands on the steering wheel.
Submitted by Joe K. (not verified) on December 31, 2013 9:21 am
Yes, Billy Green is very bad news for all poor and working people who expect a "fair shake" as FDR liked to say. This whole Austerity Program, of course, is only for the poor and Middle Class and is designed to keep costs and civil liberties down. Green is just the latest to "pile on" as Vince Lombardi used to say. He'll giddily support Longshanks Hite and Nutter in closing more real schools so charters ( Corporatization) can control Philly and its inhabitants. The People better start responding to this blatant abuse before it's too late...........................and time ain't on our side. All of this is tied together as the NSA snooping scandal testifies. IF we want to keep our Democracy, we need to fight for it or the ruling class as they call themselves, will END it in this New World Order. They ain't playin and neither should we. Folks need to look around and see what's fallin down all around them and it ain't by accident.
Submitted by Annonym (not verified) on December 31, 2013 11:50 am
Green's chief advisor appears to be M. Night Shyamalan. What other professional would accept someone who has NO experience with public schools become an advisor because they have the money to publish a book? It is as bad as taking advise from the Gates, Dell, Walton's, Broad's, etc. What qualifications does Green have to run a school district???
Submitted by Joe K. (not verified) on January 1, 2014 10:47 am
His qualifications are that he opposes unions in general and is playing along with The Austerity Program for the poor. The FACT that like all democrats, he was a union supporter not long ago, has nothing to do with the facts now. Billy playing along, something his Dad would NEVER have done.
Submitted by Nicole (not verified) on February 20, 2014 5:01 pm
Very interesting post. Something has to change, many of our school systems are failing far to often.

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