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District to call back 325 laid-off teachers

[Updated with Matthews quote; the District issued a statement.]

An initial group of 325 teachers who were laid off in June will get letters this week inviting them to take placements in schools, a District spokesperson told the Notebook Monday.

Additional teachers may be invited to return to positions in the District "over the next couple of weeks," according to spokesperson Elizabeth Childs.

The total number recalled may grow this month to over 400, said Estelle Matthews, the District's chief talent development officer.

Last week the District posted its vacancy list and the teachers' union posted the schedule for filling those positions over the next two weeks through forced and voluntary transfers. At the District's nine Promise Academies, a separate site selection process is underway, though the District and union are still awaiting an arbitrator's ruling about the District's decision to protect Promise Academy staff from layoffs.

In all, according to the District, there are 1,335 current vacancies as of Monday.

Of those, according to a Notebook analysis:

  • more than 1,150 are full-time positions for classroom teachers, counselors, and librarians;
  • more than 50 are preschool positions;
  • and 36 are positions for speech and hearing teachers.

The rest are part-time positions, many of them for art, music, special education, and ESOL teachers.

According to the union, there are 930 teachers who were force-transferred, but not laid off, who will choose their positions prior to any placement of the teachers who are being called back.

"The District and school administrators continue to work to have all schools fully staffed and ready to educate students on September 6," Childs said.

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Comments (146)

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 2:29 pm

More evidence of the sheer incompetence of our leaders.

They cannot plan, budget or get the schools the staffed.

Yet we pay Ackerman how much?

And it cost us how much to get rid of her?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 4:59 pm

She ain't out yet.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 4:43 pm

$350,000 Plus bonus and housing allowance, chauffeured driven cars, and security detail.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 2:19 pm

This is great news. But I still don't understand how these numbers jive since arbitration over the 174 X 2 teachers who are in limbo has not yet been decided. Promise Academies are a bust so doesn't that finalize arbitration in that the Promise Academy teachers should be laid off, and then rehired in order? Someone explain....

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 2:49 pm

I know of one PA teacher who got a lay off notice last week..the person's post caused a stir elswhere the Notebook..pretty angry over it.

Submitted by Anonymously (not verified) on August 15, 2011 6:44 pm

Lasst week? I'm worried I'll be one of the 26 Kristen Graham mentioned will be laid off from the schools that will no longer become Promise Academies. When will they be going out?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 4:17 pm

I think that's a completely separate matter - this is because (mostly) of the Promise Academies that won't be opening at all this year, the case in arbitration is about previous Promise Academies and whether they can be completely exempt from this insanity.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 12:53 am

Where is the data that promise academies are a bust? The promise academy I am student teaching at has seen modest gains in PSSA scores and better numbers of post-secondary attendance. Things don't happen overnight and the formula works in KIPP and Charter schools in other places... patience.

Submitted by anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 2:12 pm

Look at the budget information. PAs do not warrant almost double the $$ (9000/student in neighborhood schools vs.$16,000/student in PA) in these times when other schools are losing teachers and extracurricular activities. I understand being loyal, but we have to be realistic and as fair as possible, too.

Submitted by gus witherspoon's caddy (not verified) on August 15, 2011 2:11 pm

Where is the I Told You So chorus?

Submitted by Pamela Williams (not verified) on August 15, 2011 3:26 pm

Yes, they are always so fun to read...a great comfort to all.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 2:30 pm

There has been at least one phys ed teacher from OUTSIDE the SDP who was given a contract by a promise academy.

Submitted by Kevin (not verified) on August 15, 2011 3:30 pm

I hope that, in addition to posting this here, you notified the PFT of the details so it can be checked out and dealt with.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 3:46 pm

Would you please name the school?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 7:57 pm

How can this be happening? I am a laid off PE teacher. I don't get it. Could it be that they know they will need more PE teachers. It doesn't make sense and is against the contract. Can someone help me to understand what might be happening here?

Submitted by TR (not verified) on August 15, 2011 8:48 pm

I hope that anyone who knows the details, contacts PFT. Not all principals are trustworthy or loyal to teachers, and they have friends at 440, that's how it happens.

Submitted by Anonymous on August 15, 2011 3:30 pm

How many of those laid off won't come back/ found other jobs? Will the district need to hire new teachers?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 4:46 pm

Lots of people just don't show up on the first day or retire on that day. Every year, the district struggles to find enough certified teachers and this year will be no different. The dear charter schools are under more and more attack for their lies and the way they treat their staffs. More kids will be coming back from those farces too more and more. All of the qualified teachers will be rehired at some point.

Submitted by Gus Witherspoon's Caddy (not verified) on August 15, 2011 6:49 pm

Just about every year I recall a teacher has retired/left the first or second day of school. Last year, a teacher who was new to the district (from charter school) retired on second day teachers worked-before students arrived.

Submitted by TR (not verified) on August 15, 2011 8:51 pm

That is so unprofessional...one year, I was bumped out due to a forced transfer teacher on maternity leave who never showed up. I am happy to be a PFT member, but sometimes things do not make sense. If you know you're not going to work, please do not take a job from someone else!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 9:11 pm

It's not that simple.

Submitted by Laid off teacher (not verified) on August 15, 2011 3:22 pm

Thank God.

I have an interview with another school district next week.

But I really want to return to Philly, my hometown. I was told by the PFT that I was approximately number 280 on the list. If I don't get a letter this week, I'll still go to the interview.

Best wishes to all of the laid off teachers.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 4:26 pm

Go to the interview but you will be rehired at some point.

Submitted by Also laid off (not verified) on August 15, 2011 3:56 pm

to "Laid off teacher", when they told you that you were 280 on the list, was that in a particular certification area? there was some discussion in yesterday's comments section about a "top half" of the list, which was not divided by certification area, and a "bottom half", which was. i'm wondering if i'm #10 on the list of English teachers, am I really number ten, or am i beneath that "top half"...make sense?

Submitted by anonYmOUs TEACHer (not verified) on August 15, 2011 4:16 pm

The top half of the chart is people who have 5 or more years in the district. Some of them may be looking for English positions -- there's really no way to know. That whole top section should be done picking by Saturday evening, so hopefully the powers that be will update the vacancy list by Sunday so the rest of the "pickathon" (a friend's catchy label for it) can be reasonably informed.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 4:32 pm

so someone can find out the "rank" in a certain certification? I am a forced transfer not a lay off.

Submitted by LaidOffTeacher (not verified) on August 16, 2011 3:42 pm

How do you know where you are on the list now? I called the union yesterday and they said that the PFT no longer has a list.

Submitted by anonYmOUs TEACHer (not verified) on August 15, 2011 4:31 pm

No, you can't. Believe me, I've tried. :)

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 8:54 pm

They would do it back in June and I wish they still would. It would be helpful, especially since I am about to move and live in Philadelphia where mail service is.... let's just say my entire building gets all their mail rubber-banded together and thrown on the steps. I wish they would email/call/anything. I wish there were a system so that we could see if any progress is happening.

Submitted by WakeUpPhilly (not verified) on August 16, 2011 10:02 am

I am confused by your posting - you are stated you are moving to Philly - were you teaching here and laid off or are you a teacher from outside the SDP????? Please clarify!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 5:05 pm

They are already hiring new teachers from outside as recently as Friday.

Submitted by Kevin (not verified) on August 15, 2011 5:28 pm

Again, name the schools involved and call the PFT. Posting it here doesn't do anyone any good.

Submitted by Gus Witherspoon's Caddy (not verified) on August 15, 2011 6:24 pm

That's the second time this person has posted. I smell a troll.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 8:47 pm

Not a troll, I post here often. I explained in the other post that it was physics and I have already contacted my PFT rep. It might be tempting to believe I am lying but they are really screwing us around. I am a laid-off teacher and hearing this freaked me out.

Submitted by K.R. Luebbert (not verified) on August 15, 2011 8:26 pm

It would be a benefit for you to name the school and principal. That way everything can come out in public (transparency), and all laid-off teachers could have an answer.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 8:33 pm

He was hired at 440, not a specific school, but placed at the school. I emailed my pft rep. Hopefully will get some answers.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 8:22 pm

btw I am not the same person as above talking about PE at a Promise Academy. I hadn't read that until this evening. We can't be the only people who know of this.

Submitted by Anon and anon (not verified) on August 15, 2011 9:59 pm

According to the original layoff list, ONE 7-12 science teacher was laid off. It is quite possible that that one position was offset by a retirement, resignation, etc. It is not at all surprising to me that a physics teacher would be hired--this is one of the hardest-to-staff positions.
By contrast, 101 math teachers were laid off. I don't know the number of PE teachers.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 9:39 pm

26 PE teachers were laid off

Submitted by Anonymously (not verified) on August 15, 2011 10:13 pm

PE? Do you mean those 26 were physical education teachers or were they Promise Academy teachers (PA) from schools that never became Promise Academies....?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 10:49 pm

26 were laid off as of June 7th or what ever the first day we were all notified of our layoffs. But when I called the PFT in the beginning of July, they said 9 PE teachers were called back because of the pending arbitration. So I am under the impression that 26 of us got laid off but there were 9 teachers in promise academies that should have been laid off but weren't

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 9:22 pm

How are you seeing the layoff list? Why do some people seem to have access to whatever information they want and others are told they don't even get to know whether they are forced transferred?

Submitted by Anon and anon (not verified) on August 15, 2011 9:25 pm

I called the union way back when, and asked. I was extremely persistent. I know numbers for math and science because I have certs in both.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 9:17 pm

same with me...the union gave me that number back in June. They were also able to tell me exactly where I was on the list. Then I called back in early July and they told me I moved up 9 spots because of the arbitration. So last I knew I am either 5th or 14th to be called back. I called the union 2 weeks ago and that is when they told me they don't have an updated list for anything. They said I will know if I'm called back before they will. I find that to be insane. So basically what they were saying is at this point they have no idea what the PSD is doing concerning our future.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 11:59 pm

When I called in June, I was told that there were 82 English teachers laid off. Hope that helps someone out!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 6:27 pm

No, you are wrong----NOT even Jordan would allow that.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 8:31 pm

I wish I were wrong and I hope it gets stopped.

Submitted by gdgman3 on August 15, 2011 5:56 pm

A bit off topic, but - I was laid off in June. The PFT website says that we have to start paying dues after September 1st to stay current. I emailed the PFT to ask why I wasn't receiving mass emails and they said "because you are no longer a current member". I spoke to someone there who gave me some confusing explanation and took my address to send me a form to start paying dues. But, as it's only August 15th, I should never have lost my current member status. I will call tomorrow to check, but I am very nervous that this may have affected my place on the call-back list, which I am counting on... Long story short, if you got laid off, you should check to see if the PFT dropped you too...

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 8:56 pm

The PFT is your friend. They mane mistakes like everybody else but make no mistake--You support our union and you will benefit from it.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 9:56 pm

That's funny...The union that simultaneously arbitrates for and against its teachers is supposed to be benefactor of all?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 9:14 pm

It is not for or against....it is about the contract

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 9:32 pm

Contract !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 9:36 pm

It is not the job of ANY Union to insure any of its member a job, the responsibility and purpose of any Union is to insure its members have input and are treated fairly, respectfully and in a Professional manner. The lay offs must be done according to the only fair way that exists (as unpleasant as lay offs are) "last in-first out" --just like in any other business and profession. The contract needs to be enforced, in order to be fair to ALL.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 9:30 pm

Obviously.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 8:44 am

PFT is my friend? I worked at a Promise Academy and was not laid off (by no choice of my own) when a union officer or exeutive board member came into my classroom looking for support for a rally at 440. She told me that the 174 Promise Academy teachers were a waste of space and should be fired (not laid off) for stealing jobs. She said if I had any backbone I would quit so that a more senoir teacher could fill my spot. I pay money for these people to represent me?!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 8:15 am

Sorry but she was right. You got conned by the District not the PFT. You don't understand unions and she was letting you know the deal. Having said that, I am NOT a fan of Jerry Jordan. Ted Kirsch would not have allowed the PA to even get started without more input. Jordan may well be a nice person but a weak union leader.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 8:21 am

Dude--Blame the District for trying to get around the union contract. They were using you--make no mistake about it. You were being conned short and simple. By the way, Ackerman has no care for the children at all. It's all a ruse. In any case, you will be recalled and don't blame the union for doing their job. Do yourself a favor and research unions and their genesis. Someday, if we still have the PFT, you'll be glad you're a part of one.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 8:56 am

Give the PFT reps. name then. Did you file a complaint about it?

I am so tired of hearing about the Promise Academy teachers---YOU all applied for those positions FULLY knowing what could happen in them. YOU knew you weren't under full protection. YOU knew about the extra hours, Saturdays, etc. Most teachers who are in traditional public schools in this city would not take those PA positions for the very reason that your union protection isn't as good.

Submitted by anonYmOUs TEACHer (not verified) on August 16, 2011 8:49 am

Okay, now I'm curious. As a forced transfer, I'm looking at all my options, regular and PA. Are you saying that the union doesn't protect PA teachers? I thought PA teachers were also union members. Some of us really need to know the answer to this question.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 9:27 am

You need to call the union or GO there. This is all symptomatic of Jordan's leadership style. He says little, does little, and hides out. That ain't good !!! Clarity and standing together make a union strong, not having thousands of questions needing answers all over the place.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 17, 2011 12:46 am

PA teachers are still SDP teachers, fully protected by the union. I think that things are so bad in some of these places that it feels like there is no protection.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 8:54 am

I agree--Buyers remorse.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 10:38 am

Hm, I don't think that teacher was complaining about Saturdays or extra hours, but about a union member coming into the classroom and asking he or she to quit. The same thing happened to me in my promise school. A woman named Jackie from PFT came into my room while I was teaching and said I should quit my job because, as a junior union member, I didn't matter. I had never met her and she barged into my room telling me to quit with a class full of 23 students looking on. Sounds like PFT is running a really professional operation...

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 10:16 am

While I can't confirm that Jackie asked anyone to quit, I will say that she visited my school (UCHS) and treated everyone very rudely - berating us for not being more involved with the union, only to then tell us that the union was essentially trying to push us out of our jobs. When she visited a union membership meeting one morning, teachers asked her questions and she responded with colloquialisms that were known only to her...and then getting mad at us when no one understood what she was talking about.

As for those of you who posted regarding PA teachers and "buyer's remorse," I have yet to speak with any fellow PA teachers who took their jobs for the 2010-2011 school year under the impression that we would somehow be protected. At this point last year, no one was talking about lay offs. Most of us simply want to have jobs, preferably working with the students that we have come to know well. Targeting PA teachers with vitriolic postings only serves to drive a further split into an already-divided PFT. Please stop adding fuel to this fire. By the way, I am not some naive teacher. I have ten years teaching experience. Since only 18 months have been with the SDP, then I will likely be laid off once the arbitration ruling comes down. A little sympathy for those of us losing our jobs will go a long way toward ensuring that we don't become bitter and turn against the PFT once we are recalled (I'm doing my best not to adopt a mindset that would lead me to oppose the union once I get back into a Philly school).

Submitted by anonYmOUs TEACHer (not verified) on August 16, 2011 10:42 am

I agree and am sympathetic to your plight. Didn't notice your comment before I responded below. I think the union people need to think carefully about how they speak to their MEMBERS. Nobody is going to love a group who attack and belittle them. This is a recession, and we all need jobs. I wish you well.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 12:38 pm

People---NO ONE forced you to teach in a Promise Academy!!! YOU all knew what could happen and you took the risk. We are all adults here---you made a decision amd the District burned you---Not the PFT!!!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 2:51 pm

What risk did I take by deciding to teach in a PA? Given my district seniority, I would have been laid off either way. I'm not asking for any privileges. No PA teachers assumed that we had special status (until the SDP said that we did last spring).

That all being said, I would love to invite any teacher who has been recalled/not laid off to make a switch with me. If you only have a couple of years teaching experience and just a bachelor's degree, then unemployment compensation won't be too different from your regular salary and you'll have some free time. Since my placement on the salary schedule is "step nine, Master's +30," unemployment will be a pittance in comparison that will do little to help me pay my mortgage and take care of my two children. Any takers? Seriously, I'm not being facetious here. I have four certification areas so the odds are pretty good that I am qualified for your position. Let me know.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 2:02 pm

It's funny what people would do if they, too, were in fear of losing their jobs.

Submitted by Are you kidding (not verified) on August 16, 2011 2:31 pm

"won't be too different from your regular salary and you'll have some free time." You, my friend, are a RIOT!!! LOLOLOLOLOLOL Take this nonsense elsewhere!!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 2:16 pm

You are so correct with this post. It's hardly the right time to think this way. Why should anyone care if you have a Masters + 30 years, and 4 certifications? Everyone who has a job is just grateful to have one.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 2:32 pm

Yeah but I trump her with my D.O.E. and 31 years teaching experience. That will teach her not to brag about credentials becuase someone always has more!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 2:24 pm

Are you actually serious about this post? What are your four certifications? When did you start working in the school district and why didn't any of your four certifications save you? I know of individuals that starting in the school district the beginning of the school year and were saved because their certifications were in science.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 2:15 pm

Qualified for my position? I have a Doctorate Degree D.O.E. in Education and have 31 years teaching experience. I trump you!!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 2:54 pm

Let's not fight among ourselves--plus---caps----THE DISTRICT KNEW IT WAS UNION BUSTING WHEN THEY HIRED THE PA TEACHERS. IT WAS THE TEACHERS RESPONSIBILITY TO SQUARE THINGS WITH THE UNION FIRST. IF THEY CHOSE NOT TO, WHOSE FAULT IS THAT ??????

Submitted by anonYmOUs TEACHer (not verified) on August 16, 2011 2:45 pm

Oh for crying out loud... let's see ... I've studied martial arts for 10 years ... maybe in our jobs this is more useful than the letters after your names ...

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 3:18 pm

Correct--everything you learned in college ain't worth a damn in urban ed.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 4:03 pm

Apparently you didn't understand the posting - it was intended for some teacher who has three years of experience and no graduate degree...and it was an expression of bitter humor. Just out of curiosity, what is the "D.O.E." that you refer to? I have never heard of an Ed.D./D.Ed. referred to in this way? What institution awarded you this?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 6:29 pm

I think they meant Ed.D.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 2:45 pm

She's that way 24/7

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 3:02 pm

THANK YOU!!! THANK YOU!!!! Very well said. Most of us chose to teach at a Promise Academy because we wanted to stay at our schools and work with our students NOT because we thought we would be safe from layoffs. For some reason people think there was a hidden agenda behind us wanting to stay and there wasn't. I did not stay because I thought I deserved my job over someone with seniority but to think I would quit to let someone else have my job is insane. You are right that we should all work together, not turn on each other.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 4:03 pm

You're very welcome. Ackerman did the same stuff everywhere she's been--divide and conquer--setting up people against one another, lining her pockets while playing the race card and the children card and the gender card. Did I say, lining her pockets???? Polarizing is what she does best aside from lining her pockets.

Submitted by anonYmOUs TEACHer (not verified) on August 16, 2011 10:32 am

I repeat -- that's reprehensible. If it were to happen to me, I'd immediately write and date a letter to the PFT. And, since it sounds like I may have to work at a PA (or be unemployed -- not an option) it sounds like it's a possibility.

(No one has been willing to address my question about whether PA teachers are protected by the union or not. That is also somewhat disturbing...especially since there seem to be a number of long time union members posting here....)

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 12:36 pm

SO WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH LONG TERM UNION MEMBERS?? THE UNION IS FOR ALL HOWEVER, MORE OF THEIR FOCUS IN ON THE TRADITIONAL PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHERS. WHY?? BECASUE THESE TEACHERS CHOSE, I REPEAT CHOSE THE PA WHEN THE UNION SAID ALL ALONG THEY MAY WANT TO THINK TWICE. PA ARE OVER CONTROLLED AND COULD CARE LESS ABOUT ITS EMPLOYEES!!

Submitted by anonYmOUs TEACHer (not verified) on August 16, 2011 1:45 pm

FYI-- it's hard to convince people when you shout at them. All caps = shouting in "internet speak".

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 12:45 pm

Sounds fishy, Bob!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 2:43 pm

REPORT HER.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 17, 2011 12:34 am

I went to pick a school in June of last year. There were about 50 teachers in the room. They made us wait for about 30 minutes before they told us there were no jobs left. Now tell me, how can a district screw up so bad as to invite 50 people to pick jobs, just to tell them there are no jobs??? If you invite 50 people to pick jobs, then it would make sense that there are 50 jobs available.

When I got home, I checked my district e-mail and was notified that I was invited to interview for a Promise Academy (I had previously backed out of two interviews because I just didn't agree with the premise of PA's). Coincidence??? All of the jobs were tied up in the PA's!!!!. So some of us applied because we felt there were no alternatives. We could have waited to be called, however that would have looked or whenever that would have happened. Yeah, the PA I worked in was terrible. But for me, having a family to support, the issue was having a job versus not having a job. I believe that Ackerman set things up that way to enure staffing in the PA's.

Submitted by anonYmOUs TEACHer (not verified) on August 16, 2011 8:50 am

Wow, that's reprehensible. I hope you wrote to the PFT to at least get such a comment on file in their office.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 8:00 am

Yes, that rep, was a bit over the top but she was telling you the truth. That said, Jerry Jordan is weak, very weak and we need to remove his butt and get somebody in there who has a pair. Being nice ain't enough when you're a union leader. He's even weaker than Obama, well, probably not. By the way, Obama has been a giant disappointment for union people. He's letting the Tea Party crazies control his administration. He is being far too passive and will lose in 2012 if he doesn't fight back.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 12:29 pm

FORGET ABOUT THAT---WHERE IS THE ARBITRATOR DECISION???

Submitted by gdgman3 on August 15, 2011 10:01 pm

All I'm saying is that if you were laid off, you may want to check on your status with the PFT. Perhaps the PSD's problems with managing the final paychecks means dues didn't get paid or there was a mistake at the PFT. I totally support the union and certainly don't want to lose its support at this critical time.

Submitted by anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 8:15 pm

Will the laid off teachers have the opportunity to go back to their schools, or will they have to pick from the list? What happens to their seniority?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 9:59 pm

You will pick from the list. Your system seniority will remain as before. You start over with building seniority.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 9:10 pm

It amazes me how this roller coaster ride just keeps getting worse. Why can't we all stand together and demand answers. I can't believe the union is being left in the dark concerning the lay off list. Why are they putting up with this crap?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 8:04 am

Jerry Jordan is a VERY WEAK union leader--that's why. That's also why Ackerman just ignores him. You're right--we do all need to stand together.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 9:16 pm

I saw it was asked above...but didn't see an answer.

What about the 174 Promise Academy teachers? I fell into that group and am still awaiting arbitration ruling but got an email that I'm forced transfer...am I laid off if the arbitrator says so or transfer no matter what?

This whole thing is a mess.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 9:01 pm

the arbitration has an impact on me as well. It has a big impact on my call back position.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 9:43 am

i'm in the same boat as you. I did receive a letter but no time or date yet to pick a school. did you? I feel like I have been stashed in corner. I tried calling the SD office but the message box was full.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 9:22 am

I finally got though to SD, they are STILL sending out emails with times and dates for forced transfers. Yippee

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 10:46 am

I am so happy to hear you got a letter. You got called back from being laid off?
I just go my mail no letter yet.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 11:36 am

No I was a forced transfer.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 9:43 pm

Does anyone know if emergency certified teachers will be restored?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 10:18 pm

I would probably focus on getting that certification.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 15, 2011 10:41 pm

Is anyone else who was laid off unable to access their email?

Submitted by gdgman3 on August 15, 2011 10:48 pm

they cancelled all laid-off teachers' email accounts a few days after the end of school

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 8:11 am

If I wasn't laid off, I would not have been bumped from my position, so if I am reinstated this week, shouldn't I be able to go back to my original position? That makes sense to me. The person who took my spot was from a Promise Academy and they are supposed to be going back since the PA's are gone. Why this massive shuffling around. It's so disruptive for EVERYONE. Since it is so close to the start of the year, if I have to open a new room, new grade at another school it would be so hectic, but if I can go back to my old room, I'm ready to go even though my things are here at home.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 8:49 am

ARBITRATOR DECISION YET??? ANYONE???

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 12:12 pm

ARBITRATOR----WHERE ARE YOU??? KRISTEN GRAHAM WAS SUPPOSED TO LOOK INTO THIS. I ASKED ERIKA OWENS THAT MAYBE THE PUBLIC SCHOOL NOTEBOOK SHOULD CONTACT JERRY JORDAN ON THIS. I AM SURE SOMEONE KNOWS SOMETHING.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 12:32 pm

Friend just got a layoff notice since their school will no longer become a Promise Academy. Seems better to be laid off at the beginning than at the end.

Anonymous, you better be right!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 1:23 pm

Was your friend one of the 174 pa teachers that received a layoff notice?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 1:24 pm

He was part of the 174 PA teachers in arbitration. His school is no longer going to become a PA so he got the notice (or, I assume that's why). I don't know if that means he has little chance of being recalled with the 325 or not. It seems weird that they'd lay him off just to recall him the same week....

Submitted by anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 2:57 pm

well then, does that mean there is an arbitrator's decision?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 2:25 pm

check kristen grahams tweet- @newskag
Says sdp withdrew from arbitration

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 1:06 pm

Was your friend one of the 174 pa teachers that received the letter?

Submitted by imsteena (not verified) on August 16, 2011 12:33 pm

All caps is obnoxious - please stop. We all want answers, but they're not going to come any faster with that nonsense.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 6:05 pm

Ahhh, get the box of tissues lol.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 1:48 pm

SOME PEOPLE NEED THE CAPS SO THE MESSAGE SINKS IN.

FORGET ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE---WHERE IS THE NEWS FROM THE ARBITRATOR???

Submitted by imsteena (not verified) on August 16, 2011 1:05 pm

Forget about everything else? There are 3,000 people who have been laid off, and you think your job is more important than everyone else's?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 2:35 pm

CORRECTION---ALL TEACHERS ARE GETTING THEIR JOBS BACK! READ THE NEWSPAPERS

Submitted by anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 2:06 pm

correction- read the papers yourself and stop being rude- not everyone is assured to be called back, but I hope they are.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 3:35 pm

As long as it's by seniority then good!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 1:47 pm

I am so tired of people attacking the promise academy teachers. They are teachers that just happen to have less senority. Everyone has to start out somewhere. I don't think it's fair that the "174" have been in limbo all summer. I understand it is a contract thing, but they are people too with responsibilities like everyone else. The "174" teachers do matter!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 6:47 pm

Ahhh, get the box of tissues.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 1:17 pm

I am tired of people bashing the promise academy teachers. They are teachers just like everyone else, but they just have low senority. Everyone must start out somewhere! People act like the "174" don't matter....how would you like to be in limbo all summer.

Submitted by anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 2:14 pm

As I read these posts, the bashing has been going both ways. This is Ackerman's attempt at union busting by trying to get us to take opposing sides. Don't let her win!
When one of us is treated unfairly, we all lose.
Isn't part of the Jerry problem due the state take-over - the PFT doesn't have any real power, regardless of its leadership?
And Jackie- she came to our school for a chapter meeting two years ago- if it's the same Jackie- she's nuts and completely unhelpful, don't pay attention to her.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 18, 2011 7:45 am

I have been in limbo all summer and I;m not a PA teacher. All the laid off teachers have been in limbo - who knows when we will be reinstated

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 2:03 pm

I taught at a traditional school prior to transferring over to a PA. I had absolutely no idea about any of this contract mumbo-jumbo, honestly I just wanted to teach. Coming originally from a charter school, I was used to teaching w/o a union. I respect the union wanting to ensure that the contract is followed as stated and I support that too.

I just seem some of the same crap (for lack of a better term) from senior teachers who have no clue what the heck they are talking about when it comes to many of the PA teachers. Not all of us are teaching on a emergency cert, some of us have regular certifications in our areas. Many of us have Masters and other advanced degrees in education.

I was sold an idea. I bought the idea, and how I currently feel about that idea I'll leave out of this post. I'm not asking for any special compassion. When the ruling of the arbitration comes down, I'll collect my unemployment like everyone else. But as educators, we need to stop with this foolishness. Either we're all PFT members are we're not. It seems as if I continued at a traditional school, the senior teachers here would be more fond of me? This is ridiculous. I'm the same person, the same educator regardless if it's a PA, Traditional, Renaissance, Empowerment, or Vanguard. It's just a tag.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 2:53 pm

sorry for typos. iPads aren't for forums lol.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 2:17 pm

breaking: district to follow seniority in layoffs, withdraws from arbitration. 174 promise academy teacher layoffs

Kristen Graham tweet

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 2:42 pm

Seniority prevails!! All hail the PFT!!!

Submitted by anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 2:15 pm

God Bless America!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 2:04 pm

I understand your happiness about seniority, but this does mean that the students in Promise Academies will have their third group of teachers in three years and that 174 people, many of who left other District to come to Philly in the Promise Academies, will lose their jobs. I'm not sure celebratory is the right tone. I don't really think anybody wins here.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 2:03 pm

agreed. Let's be happy it is over.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 3:23 pm

I agree....it is no time to celebrate. Let's be sensitive that some of our fellow teachers have now lost their jobs. Looks like some veteran teachers will now be working in the promise academies. We are all teachers, and I don't think anyone wins. I do believe that everyone will be called back by January though :)

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 3:21 pm

Sorry, but I still need help understanding the impact of the arbitration "decision" on our position on the seniority list for call-backs. Before arbitration we were a certain number, then when the arbitration began we all moved up the seniority list to a better number.. So now that the union has prevalied and the PA teachers will be laid off, do we stay at our new better numbers, or go back to the old worse numbers? Can someone please explain?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 3:09 pm

You go back where you belong based on seniority iw ould hope and assume.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 16, 2011 5:13 pm

Jordan blasted Superintendent Arlene Ackerman for attempting to skip over Promise Academy teachers, who tend to have less seniority than teachers in other schools.

“As a result of an arbitrary decision by the superintendent to violate the contract, she brought the reassignment of 1,335 teachers to a halt and caused needless uncertainty to hundreds of dedicated teachers whose employment status has been in limbo all summer,” Jordan said. “With less than three weeks in which to properly staff schools, many of whose staffs were decimated by layoffs, forced transfers and retirements, the district made the right decision to proceed according to the terms of the contract and move forward to ensure that teachers are in place and ready to teach their students when schools open on September 6.”

Submitted by Teachwhocares on August 17, 2011 10:54 am

I have a question that I hope someone can answer. I saw on the PFT website last night that there is a professional development scheduled on Monday. This PD can be attended by returning teachers and "new teachers". What do they mean by "new teachers" when all of the laid off staff have not been called back to work yet?

How can the district be hiring new teachers when there is a freeze on hiring?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 17, 2011 11:54 pm

Basically they're either using old boilerplate or they're acknowledging that some of the most rare certifications will have new hires (which is quite possible).

Submitted by Teachwhocares on August 17, 2011 11:14 am

I have a question that I hope someone can answer. I saw on the PFT website last night that there is a professional development scheduled on Monday. This PD can be attended by returning teachers and "new teachers". What do they mean by "new teachers" when all of the laid off staff have not been called back to work yet?

How can the district be hiring new teachers when there is a freeze on hiring?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 18, 2011 4:13 pm

Has anyone received their recall letter this week yet? Also does any one know out of the 325 teachers how many are special ed?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 18, 2011 4:07 pm

Has anyone received their recall letter this week yet? Also does any one know out of the 325 teachers how many are special ed?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 18, 2011 4:49 pm

A friend of mine received her call back letter today. She's certified in SPED and ELEM.

Submitted by gdgman3 on August 20, 2011 12:08 pm

Does anyone know the BEST PERSON TO CONTACT AT 440 for any hope of finding out where I am on the CALL-BACK LIST? I realize I will need to wait until the dust settles over the next week or so, but want to have some idea of whether I can wait it out or not. I am a dual certified Special Ed and English teacher with 12 years experience, though only hired by SDP in September, 2010. I was around 195 out of 335 in June.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 20, 2011 5:16 pm

Good question!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 20, 2011 5:25 pm

Call the pft

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