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Countdown, Day 9: Teachers' union prepared to negotiate through the weekend

by Paul Socolar on Aug 31 2013 Posted in Countdown to calamity?

The Philadelphia Federation of Teachers and the School District's bargaining team returned to the negotiating table on Saturday, the day the union's contract is set to expire.

Neither side has reported progress. Union spokesperson George Jackson said the PFT "plans to continue negotiating through the weekend," but also said the District has not offered any kind of contract extension. 

District spokesperson Fernando Gallard said the District will continue negotiating up to Saturday night's deadline.  A statement from the District is expected Saturday night at the expiration of the contract.

The union has a membership meeting scheduled for 6 p.m. Monday, and teachers are scheduled to be back at school on Tuesday, with classes starting Sept. 9. Union president Jerry Jordan said this week that he does not plan to call a strike vote at Monday's meeting. 

He may not have a draft agreement for members to vote on either. An Inquirer report on Saturday quotes a union lawyer saying the two sides are "very far apart."

The District is asking the PFT for sweeping changes in work rules and the compensation system as well as $103 million in salary and health care concessions as part of its effort to cut its overall payroll and benefits costs by $133 million, or 10 percent. Three smaller unions have also been asked for concessions.

The union is now working under a one-year extension of a three-year contract with the District that originally expired in August 2012. 

 

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Comments (153)

Submitted by anon (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 12:50.

this union will never be stronger than today. the demands we are seeing are like a tidal wave. they can not be alleviated by teacher concession. the "reformers" will be back for more again and again and again. i would stand outside my school with a sign than see you take my hard earned dollars and give them to these crooks, con-men and carpetbaggers. hang tough pft. the tide will turn.

Submitted by Joe K. (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 13:09.

anon--I am officially jealous----------------Perfect synopsis of how ALL PFT Members should feel, react and ACT. This is nothing short of attempted murder and that's no exaggeration. They don't want concessions---NOT that we should give any----they want surrender of The PFT so they can run herd on the city schools for profit. Period.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 09/03/2013 - 22:45.

What all you are forgetting hear is the most important thing, "The Kids" stop fighting over more money, heck I have gone 4 years without a raise and I wish I had a union to give me a pension, benefits that don't go up 50+% every year and a ton of vacation. It is time to stop thinking about yourselves and start thinking about what you set out to do educate. Frankly most of you are doing a crappy job of that and have lost your focus on what many of you set out to do in the first place.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 09/03/2013 - 23:50.

Your a complete brainwashed douchebag with a Captial D. Sorry. Your a brainwashed piece of crap. The kids don't want to learn and the teachers kill themselves trying to teach while 5 or 6 truly distrurbed children, through no fault of their own, get to do whatever they want, when they want and the teachers are stuck between a rock and a harder than hell place. Principals have no backbone and try to feed their false sense of ego by treating teachers like complete shit, even if they are good teachers. This place is one of the worst places to teach period and yet they come in, most, like professionals and do the job with all the constant interference going on. Crazy parents who can't even take care of themselves are having children that just don't value education and holding back the ones that want to learn. Now, I hear Superintendent JayZ Jr. is not allowing 21's to go on anymore. Just another way to weaken teachers spirits. This means if a child that is totally violent and is a danger to other people, will not be transferred out the school. Your a douchebag and you have no idea what goes on. Plus you could say the same about the teachers in the suburbs too, that they have it easy and don't teach. But, most of those children have a sense to value education. Get in their and try it for a week, you'll quit after a day jerkoff.

Submitted by Miles (not verified) on Fri, 09/06/2013 - 09:05.

Maybe you should become a principal so you can come in and observe what really goes on in a classroom. Most teachers do not do a crappy job! It is absurd that you would place all teachers into this category. It's people like you that complain without having the real facts and do nothing about it. Most teachers I know work 60 hours a week and only get paid for working 40 hours a week. We work before school, after school, and on the weekends. We take school work home with us every day. This is about much more than paying into health benefits. Get the facts before you complain.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 13:10.

I will stand outside my school, with a sign, in solidarity with you.

Submitted by Teachin' (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 13:30.

I'm with you - and I hope Jerry Jordan has read your comments.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 14:22.

To make sure Jerry Jordan does read the comments - email them to him at address below

jjordan@pft.org.
and
execoffice@pft.org

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 14:23.

I will stand loud and proud!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 13:19.

What is being constantly ignored by the statements from the District is the reasonableness we have shown in making concessions in past contracts particularly when it comes to length of school day, teacher assignment and reassignment, and teacher evaluations. I have to wonder if all other unions in the city would be criticized so harshly if they were forced to abandon nearly all of their seniority rights particularly when it comes to layoffs and rehiring. Despite the power of Act 46 once the District agreed to the one year extension they should have at least honored it till the end. Instead they broke it before it was even expired.

Submitted by Teachin' (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 13:31.

The Orwellian propaganda machine is against us - the truth is irrelevant to the media and those who read/view it.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 16:04.

It may not be. An excellent article published today on philly.com (http://www.philly.com/philly/education/20130901_Phila__district_asks_tea...) talks about parents supporting the teachers. Many parents realize that these negotiations are not only about union busting, but about the fate of public education in the city of Philadelphia. The parents also know that city leaders and the district leaders have failed their children and are now trying to sell their children to the highest bidder. Nutter, Hite and Corbett may just be nailing their own coffins shut with this one.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 13:37.

Thanks to the many concessions the PFT has made over the years in support of students and in response to real or possibly manufactured financial crises the District has much control over the hiring, and placement of teachers. This includes full site select of all new hires. In the last contract District administrators got much more power over the evaluation of teachers and the firing of teachers. The public should be aware of the incredibly detailed evaluations teachers are subject to at a moments notice and at the whim of their principals. I have to wonder if the trades unions in the city would be treated as harshly as teachers if the were asked to abandon nearly all seniority rights regarding the order of their layoffs and their recall back to work. Finally despite the power of Act 46 it is not right to abuse it. When the District agreed to our present contract they should have honored all parts of it until to expired. They did not. We are Philadelphia and Pennsylvania citizens too. We deserve to be treated honorably.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 13:43.

Jerry can't call a strike vote.....but we can! If McDonalds can strike....we can too

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 00:52.

Go ahead and lose your certification.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 01:01.

Crawl back into your hole troll. Our contract says we can't strike as of this posting the contract is dead in the water. No contract then nothing to prevent striking. Do you really think you can replace all the public teachers in Philly that easily? How long do you think they'd last once they get a taste of how poorly Hite and his gang runs things? One month, one week, one day?:

Submitted by PhillyTeacher' (not verified) on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 18:43.

They can'r take 10,000 - 11,000 certifications. No one's going to lose anything as long as they have the guts to stand up for themselves.

Submitted by Concerned Citizen (not verified) on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 22:29.

Trust me... 10,000 people will NOT be out there with you picketing!

Submitted by Headstart teacher (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 14:43.

If the time comes to strike I am right there with all of you guys! A sea of red.

Is the time Monday? I'm not sure but I am sure it's not 3 months from now.

If we have to strike, work stoppage, sick out, etc. we all have to do it together
All or none - period.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 14:53.

Agreed my sister/brother. In solidarity......a sea of red!!!!

Submitted by Headstart teacher (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 16:06.

Sister
: )

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 15:22.

What is with the PFT membership? Why the 10% turnout for the march last week? Rain cannot account for it, and would be one horrible excuse anyway, and kids were welcome. If only 10% of our parents showed up for a report card conference, we'd think there was a problem in the "culture." What about us?

This is getting personal for me, and that worries me because I care about my work environment and have always gotten along well with my colleagues. I know I will resent working for lower pay and benefits partly because the other members of my collective bargaining unit were too lazy, indifferent, or defeatist to show up to protect my rights as well as their own.

Union dues are not the only responsibility of the PFT membership. Showing up, even when it's inconvenient, counts too, both at PFT rallies and at the polls.
Get out to the meeting Sept 2

Submitted by Teachin' (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 15:37.

The SRC is unmoved by hunger strikes and parades. It's time to act, not march.

Submitted by Joe K. (not verified) on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 10:01.

BINGO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Submitted by Headstart teacher (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 15:47.

I know!!
I am appalled at how indifferent so many of my colleagues are. I thought they were invested in our fate and the union. All have utilized the benefits and salaries the PFT has fought for, why no fighting spirit now? Is it that hard to turn up at a meeting??

Submitted by Labor Day (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 15:56.

I'd love to know when my admission card to Monday's meeting will arrive? Via PONY? I haven't gotten it yet. Anyone else? It's not just about showing up, it's about having something to show to...

http://pft.org/(X(1))/Page.aspx?pgid=71&article=546

Submitted by Headstart teacher (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 16:00.

I got mine weeks ago......

Submitted by Headstart teacher (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 16:06.

If u don't then bring the last pay stub of June the last bi week we worked.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 17:12.

Bring the last pay stub you have and something else that shows you are a full member of the union, dental card, script card your union membership card even.

Submitted by Education Grad ... on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 18:06.

Mine hasn't arrived either. I'm going to bring my pay stub and pray that I can be admitted with it.

EGS

Submitted by Headstart teacher (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 18:35.

On my ticket it says all laid off members to bring their June 19 pay stub. I'm sure that goes for those who did not receive the flyer.

Submitted by Education Grad ... on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 21:36.

Headstart teacher, thank you. My pay stub is dated June 21, not June 19.

Submitted by Headstart teacher (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 21:58.

19 is the last day 21 was when it was issued, maybe?
Either way that will do. Wish we could all sit together. You, Me, Rich Magliore (spelled wrong sorry!), Joe K. , HS teacher and all the others I have had the pleasure of interacting with on here. A you Annons are welcome too!

Lets be sure we sit up front. Loud and proud in a sea of red.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 18:53.

It wasn't a card. It was on the back of the PFT Reporter. I think this is where a lot of confusion is coming from. People may have gotten the PFT Reporter and didn't read it to find out that the posting for admission to the 9/2 General Meeting was posted there.

Submitted by Teachin' (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 21:20.

It was NOT on the back of the PFT Reporter; it came separately in the mail. I suggest everyone print out their last pay stub before the district shuts down the site in order to stop people from getting into the meeting that way.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 23:57.

I cannot believe there are PFT members who are saying they didn't receive the mailer that was sent with their admission ticket to the Sept. 2 meeting! They wait till NOW to say this? Seriously. It's ridiculous people are saying that when they were sent WEEKS AGO.

I sense too much apathy in the PFT. Hate to say it, but it seems too many teachers don't really care.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 05:47.

I have to agree with you. Too much apathy!

Submitted by Bellyache Whiner (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 16:10.

Oh, but I'll be too tired from my weekend at the shore. And probably too full from the barbeque I was at that day. And I need a good night's sleep for the first day of work on Tuesday. Gosh, I just want to relax.
It doesn't matter that I'll probably not get to vacation or have parties next year because my salary will be slashed to the point of allowing me to barely survive. It doesn't matter that I will sleep less because I will worry more. And it doesn't matter that I might have to get a part-time job to make up for what Hite et. al slashes from my paycheck. I'm sure that enough other people will go so it won't matter that I don't.
There's nothing that can be done, anyway. They have already made their decisions, I'm sure. I'm just hoping that Jerry Jordan will do his best. Why should I have to fight for my job? Nobody else has to.
But don't think I'm gonna strike! I need my paycheck! And I can't afford to lose my certification.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 19:05.

We all need our paychecks!!! I have children and bills too!! It;s a matter of principle. Cross the picket line and you will be shunned by those PFT brothers and sisters who sacrificed on the picket line!!! Don't be a scab or leave the PFT if you choose to not walk the line with your fellow PFT members.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 19:18.

You are so right! Crossing a picket line is not a good thing. And you will be shunned, no matter what school you go to! Your life will be miserable and don't believe for one second that your administrator will respect you for crossing that line because they won't! I remember the last major strike, we were out 51 days and it was later ruled a lock out. I had no problems with any of my creditors.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 20:38.

You are right!! Those Principals are union employees too. They will notice. They don't expect anyone to cross the picket line. Late tonight the District is supposed to hold a news conference. Either they will do a complete takeover or extend contract.

Submitted by Headstart teacher (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 21:53.

They better extend it beyond 3 months!

Submitted by Teachin' (not verified) on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 00:04.

I am pretty sure the initial poster was being sarcastic about the excuses he/she has heard from members unwilling to attend the meeting.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 00:10.

I've heard excuses as in "not sure Ill be back from the shore" and "it's too far of a drive."' Yeah, that's right. Don't expect a packed house on Monday night. Sickening!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 01:02.

the poster was but sadly it would take critical reading skills in the context of current events to know that

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 19:09.

Your handle suits you! Don't come out don't take an active role in what the governor, the mayor and the District are attempting to do to the teachers, counselors and others. Stay home, lay down and moan. In a few years there won't be a School District and all education needs will be provided by the charter schools and cyber schools, who will use companies to staff these Internet and charter schools and you will be right along with everyone else, unemployed! At least people like myself and others are going to go down fighting not belly aching! Stand Up!

Submitted by anon (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 22:54.

what's the matter with you people? lighten up. you're being spoofed.

Submitted by confused (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 17:45.

Ask yourself: if 1/15 of the union members show up for a rally, how many would honor a picket line?

There will not be a strike.

Submitted by Headstart teacher (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 18:39.

I believe many members are just tired of not being heard. The SRC has ignoring down to an art. Our PFT brothers and sisters will strike or take other defensive action when it is agreed upon they are just done with showing up and being ignored.

It's time for action not empty promises and lies.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 19:00.

I'm just fed up! The younger teachers don't seem to understand the importance of becoming active in PFT and the older teachers are just apathetic. I am really going to be surprised if there is a large turn out for 9/2 General Membership meeting. I also think that it was a BIG mistake to have the Labor Day Bash and then on the same day have the membership meeting to discuss our contract. If people are like me, I have to make a choice between going to one or the other and I darn sure am going to the General Membership Meeting! And we all should be there, every last one of us. Just remember this, PFT can't call for a strike, but the MEMBERSHIP can!

Submitted by Teachin' (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 23:06.

Please explain why the PFT can't call a strike, but the membership can. What's the difference between our president calling for a strike and someone proposing it from one of the side mics?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 05:45.

I was at one of the union rallies and that is what we were told. Jerry has already said that he is not going to call for a strike, but there is nothing stopping the membership from calling for a strike on the floor at Monday's meeting. If the membership calls for a strike, it has to be voted on.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 15:56.

I think everyone will be there Monday.... I am keeping the faith!

Submitted by Headstart teacher (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 16:04.

I don't know .... But those that are there are the ones that truly care! Anyone who does not show up better shut up if we get handed a raw deal.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 00:00.

Teachers with less seniority will NOT show up. They really do not care.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 00:50.

You have nerve. How do you know? Did you ask ALL of us if we care? Teachers with less seniority do care because we were the ones laid off. Keep your generalizations to yourself.

Submitted by Parent of two students (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 16:04.

If you strike, my kids and I will march right along with you. And I will rally every parent I know to do the same. And I'm serious. You deserve better than this. Much better.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 16:17.

If we strike, be prepared for at least a month with no pay check. It's not one or two weeks we're talking about. The last paycheck was Friday. So it's strike with no pay, work 2 weeks, and wait a third week to get paid. Just sayin....

Submitted by SMH (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 16:33.

No strike, be prepared for cut in salary and benefits for the rest of your career. Just sayin...

Submitted by Teachin' (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 16:20.

Bless you.

Submitted by Education Grad ... on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 18:11.

Thank you, your sentiments are appreciated!

Submitted by anon (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 23:01.

parents' support is the wildcard and the most critical factor. we will sink or swim based on their level of support for any action that is undertaken. we are much obliged for your words of support.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 16:11.

Thank you so much mom/dad..... You don't know how much your support means to us!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 17:34.

We don't need to strike .. what needs to happen is every parent needs to arrive at their child's school on the 9th and stand outside and refuse to go in unless the district fixes the mess. Every morning child next to parent at every school across Philly demanding safe schools, demanding counselors in every school, demanding supplies, clean buildings, demanding a nurse full time, demanding after school activities...
teachers would stand along side them.... this would create such a picture!
Hite and Nutter would have todo something!

Submitted by Teachin' (not verified) on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 18:41.

::sigh::

What planet do you envision this happening on - surely not Earth?

It's a great thought, but only a handful of truly involved parents are interested in supporting us.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 09/02/2013 - 07:07.

And isn't that the problem.. parent involvement makes or breaks a school!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 16:21.

United we bargain. Divided we beg!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 16:26.

Unfortunately too many PFT members have no memory of 1973 and what it took to get what we have. Do they not care or do they expect everyone else to do their work? If they are not interested they should be considerate enough to let Jerry know so he can make decisions accordingly. If they want a decent contract, a pension, fair working conditions and due process then they need to grow up wise up and get to the parade and the meeting. And yes while some have very valid reasons why they can't come illness etc the rest either don't want to be part of a union or they do want what the union earns for us but they are spoiled, and selfish and they expect everyone else to earn their rights for them. It is not a small deal. Collective bargaining working conditions and our pensions are on the line. This rally matters. Otherwise if we lose everything..... and we might.... it is as much your fault as the SRC. And btw it is a lot easier to walk in a parade than on a picket line. I have done both. The media can see us, the mayor can see us the governor can see us and most importantly the other unions can see us. We need their help. For most of us It is not that hard. Show up.

Submitted by Poogie (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 17:40.

They can probably get an injunction to stop a strike. But ladies and gentlemen when the PFT was first formed it was illegal to strike. The leadership and several teachers were put in jail and after a while their cases were thrown out and the union was established.

We go on strike and they get an injunction stopping us. We can ignore the injunction. They can put Jerry Jordan in jail. Who is not cool with that? We can continue to strike. We can continue to make it hard on the SRC. The strike then gets settled and we win or we lose. In either event we are probably unemployed in 3 to 5 years since there will only be charters in Philadelphia shortly.

Why make it easy for them? We might win something. They are not taking away your certification and you can always go work for a Charter in 3 years at 55% pay.

The Secretary of Education cannot just wave his hand and say you guys are no longer certified. As a famous lawyer once said "there be legalities involved here".

To take away all of our certifications would take 3 to 5 years or longer. It would cost millions of dollars in legal fees. Even if they got a lot of unemployable recent law graduates to work for free like they did in the PSSA cheating scandal. But since they are recent unemployable law school graduates they cannot not find there way around a courtroom and would be unable to represent the SRC adequately. These hearings would be way more expensive than the cheating scandal kangaroo courts the PFT did nothing to stop. They would have to pay real lawyers a lot of money.

They're not going to take away your teacher certification. Just too hard and too expensive. We still live in a quasi-constitutional country and one of Corbett's underlings cannot just waved his magic wand and your teacher certification then disappears. You have some rights.

After the hearing and appeals throughout the Pennsylvania court system our teacher certifications could be removed in about 3 years. However, let's think about this there are 9000 or so teachers. Each one of them would be entitled to a administrative hearing before the Secretary of Education, that outcome could be appealed to a Common Pleas Court or Commonwealth Court, after that we would have a an appeal to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court and theoretically to the US Supreme Court. Each when would have different proofs and evidential issues.

I say we strike.

Submitted by Nikki Sonrisa (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 18:31.

I am so with you! The SRC has already violated our contract a week before it was expired so what more do we have to lose by taking a stand and sending them a message? If there is a strike, I will be right out there walking the picket line with everyone else. My students are worth it.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 18:33.

That's not what will happen. If we strike illegally, the District/Mayor/Gov will just hand over whole groups of schools to charter operators. They would have tons of public support. Parents want more charter seats anyway!!!

We will hasten the end if the PFT and it will be all our fault!!

Submitted by Poogie (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 19:09.

Does milking a few more months of work before they show up one day and says the testing data indicates you stink your fired. More important than a modicum of dignity.

We are all unemployed in three years why help them accomplish that task make them work.

Submitted by Headstart teacher (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 19:36.

First of all they don't have enough TFA grads to take over huge numbers of schools, yet.

Second if we do nothing this is bound to happen anyway and even if we do SOMETHING it may still happen (look at Chicago).

The question is - How do you want to be remembered? As a fighter against the corporate takeover of public Ed or as a wuss who just lay down and said its all fine???

Submitted by HS teach (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 19:56.

One retired union leader (not a teacher) told me today: "The main thing is not to get scared. The minute you let them scare you, you lose".

Submitted by Headstart teacher (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 20:05.

Sounds about right to me!
Never let them see you sweat. Lol

Submitted by Education Grad ... on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 19:41.

Anonymous,

You are allowing fear to paralyze you. As the saying goes, "There is nothing to fear by fear itself."

The legality of the prohibition of striking has yet to be tested. I wonder how legal it can be if it applies to no other district in the state. Isn't it discriminatory to only prohibit teachers in the SDP from striking? The PFT could file a complaint with the NLRB.

The District/Mayor/Governor can't just hand over groups of schools to charter operators one day and the charter operators take them over the next. What happens to all the kids with special needs? The District could be held liable if they were to "hand over" schools to charters and the charters failed to serve children with special needs.

The broader point is that PFT members need to stop allowing fear to paralyze them. For heaven's sake, SHOW UP AT THE MEETING! Speak up and do something! I have my issues with the PFT, but the reality is that what's happening to traditional public schools in this city is completely wrong. The children of this city deserve much better. The preying mentality of some of the charter operators is absolutely disgusting. And I can't afford to take a pay cut.

There is so much at stake here. I'm going to stand up and be assertive, not passive!

EGS

Submitted by Headstart teacher (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 18:08.

We can only strike if we are all in - strength in numbers - otherwise they will go after those of us who stand up to them.

Submitted by Concerned Citizen (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 18:18.

I don't get why you don't get that it's not 1973. People, you have lost at least 30% of your customers, with thousands more on charter wait lists! Why do you think that is? You no longer have a monopoly. Your political power is a fraction of what it was. How did Corbett get elected in the first place? Feel free to hate him but the man is doing exactly what he said he would do when he ran for governor. I'm sure it feels great to wear red t-shirts and scream at the SRC, pretend it is the old days of labor solidarity against the man and get fired up about union leaders going to jail. But if you don't understand that the entire system as you know it no longer works and cannot be sustained, and that you are at least a part of the problem, there is really no hope. You should have a seat at the table trying to find a new model to compete against charters, not clinging to the good ol' days. But if you want to go down fighting at least don't claim it's "for the children." I haven't heard any convincing link between seniority and ridiculous work rules and student success.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 18:36.

They didn't have charters in 1973!!!! Look what happened to 32BJ. They only caved becaus the district was not bluffing about outsourcing.

Submitted by Joe K. (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 19:10.

AND because the other unions like the PFT let them hang. Unions suffer when solidarity wanes. The person to whom you were responding is clueless.

Submitted by Teachin' (not verified) on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 00:02.

I agree. It was disgraceful that we didn't stand up for the blue collar union. They, too, are integral to the running of our schools.

Submitted by Brian (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 23:41.

With all due respect, I think it's more difficult to replace thousands of certified teachers than the people (who I am grateful to) who clean the floors and empty the trash.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 07:53.

They'll turn over a batch of them - enough to fill positions and enough to scare the piss out of us into voting for a contract. That's all they have to do is announce a plan to create achievement networks and start the process.

Submitted by Joe K. (not verified) on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 08:59.

Brian---------------THINK !!!! You're missing a couple points. Morally, we should have supported them in a solid way because................well, because right is right. Pragmatically, ALL unions need to be sensitive to one another and their needs because we're all in this together. Divide and conquer is a wonderfully easy way to break unions everywhere. Read "First They Came." Get your selfish head out of the sand too so you can think more clearly.

Submitted by Brian (not verified) on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 10:45.

You're right and I should have thought about solidarity among all unions. I apologize for my comment.

Submitted by Joe K. (not verified) on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 11:07.

I make mistakes all the time too; It's the human dynamic hard at work to sabotage ourselves and I'm an expert.

Submitted by HS teach (not verified) on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 11:37.

The contracts of all the unions working for the District should expire at the same time to allow for more effective show of solidarity. But it would make too much sense for our union leaders...

Submitted by Joe K. (not verified) on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 12:24.

I thought of that before you did !!!!!!!!!!! Only kidding--I never thought of that, damn it.

Submitted by Nikki Sonrisa (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 18:37.

Teacher's working conditions are student's learning conditions. Seniority rules ensure that students have continued access to experienced teachers. Work rules ensure that teachers are happy because a happy teacher is a productive teacher. A teacher who has to work for 4 periods straight without a break will be cranky, exhausted, and not at their absolute best. It may be difficult to understand the importance of these things when you are not living with them every day in the classroom. The teachers who are fighting for their collective bargaining rights are not doing it out of greed or self-preservation; they are doing it out of their passion for teaching and love for their students. Nobody who was only in it for the money would put up with what we put up with...unless they also cared about their students.

Submitted by Concerned Citizen (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 18:57.

I completely agree that students benefit from experienced teachers - as long as they're passionate and engaged. What about the ones who "retired" years ago but never let anyone know, and still show up every day to do a mediocre job and collect their paycheck? Do you deny teachers like this exist? What if your kid had to spend an entire year in the classroom with one of them - mine have! And why should it be next to impossible to replace them with more dynamic teachers? I also completely agree that work rules must aim to bring out the best in our teachers. But what about teachers who refuse to engage on school climate and safety, because it's not their job? Whose day ends at 3:07 and who refuse to even walk kids out to the schoolyard? Parents choose charters because the school climate is better. Yes, I know, charters get rid of unruly kids. So that's a problem for us. But let's talk about work rules that address this serious issue! And who in this day and age doesn't pay part of the ocst of health insurance? These are the issues I'm talking about.

Submitted by Headstart teacher (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 19:12.

We seasoned teachers don't pay into the health care because we took that option as opposed to a raise!! It's half of one six of the other. Give me a cost of living raise or pay for my health care.

New hires do pay a percentage of their health care. It was not offered to them and many of our staff are now new hires.

As far as those Checked out teachers, seniority should not protect them. No teacher wants to work with someone who does not pull their load and only works "to contract" BUT that is the job of the principal to do. Process the paper work and document! Good teachers do this every day.

I also want to point out that there are so many more great teachers than not. Fight for the good ones who make a difference every day.

Submitted by Concerned Citizen (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 19:23.

I've worked for the District for 8 years. I'm unrepresented. With recent pay cuts, and contributions to health care, and no raises, I make less now than I did when I started. That's financial reality. Many people in the private sector are in the same boat. And if a teacher works "to contract" what are they doing wrong so they can be written up? I want to fight for - and reward - the great teachers but the conversation has to be based in financial reality.

Submitted by Joan Taylor on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 19:48.

You have been horribly, inexcusably victimized by the School District! I am sorry that this has happened to you. It is wrong. I would ask that you recognize that splintering groups is the agenda of the people who let their spare change trickle down to us. You and I should be working together. You are not going to gain anything because I lose something. You are probably going to lose even more than you already have. All wages rise when union wages rise. The best defense against stagnant wages is a strong union structure, even for people who are not represented.

So, why aren't you represented? It sounds like, at the very least, you ought to organize a collective bargaining unit. You are worthy of being paid a decent salary. The SDP's position isn't financial reality; it is pandering to corporate interests.

Did you read the front page article on frackers who have renigged on their debts? What an example of the fine corporate ethos of responsibility that is driving Corbett to cut money for education!

You need to steer some of your disgust in the right direction. Your problem isn't labor; it's management.

Submitted by Concerned Citizen (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 20:08.

Here's where we disagree: I'm glad to have the job, and I'm free to leave if I don't like it.

Why do I stay (aside from the fact that I care about the DIstrict and want to do what I can to help out when times are bad)? Because I probably could not get as good a job with as good benefits on the open job market. And if I did leave, dozens and dozens of people would apply for my job. So that's what I mean by financial reality.

Our country grew great and strong when unions were at their height, so I agree with you there. But we are in different economic times today. I don't claim to understand it all. But when parents have choice in public education, and when they CHOOSE to leave traditional schools, we can't expect to carry on as if it were 1965, or 1973.

Submitted by HS teach (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 20:23.

When you say "different economic times", what do you mean?
Corporate takeover of our society and re-writing of rules by the elites in order to benefit themselves and screw the rest of the people is not a result of "blind economic forces". All this injustice was committed by people, and can be fixed by people. You need to educate yourself on these issues.

Submitted by Concerned Citizen (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 20:54.

Hey, my politics are as lefty as the next guy's. I read Paul Krugman religiously. I never thought it was "blind economic forces" that got us here. In public education, I think we got in trouble when the Democrats saw they could make big $$ off of the idea of "school choice." How many of our worthy elected leaders - including from Philadelphia - have a stake in one form of charter school or another? Come on - with that much $$ up for grabs, why give it to unionized school teachers in a DIstrict operated by people who were once described as "social workers"? Why not take some for themselves and their friends? Billions of dollars and the politicians and corporate interests cannot keep their hands off.

But who is forcing the parents to go to charter schools? Like I said at the outset, you are losing your customers and I think if you want to stay in business you have to find a way to get them back. If you think going out on strike will do that, my prayers are with you.

So it's a political fight. My first comment this evening was, where is the union's political power? You might have City Council on your side, but with friends like them......Where were you guys when Corbett got himself elected?

As the contract winds down and we are all sitting here wondering what will happen next, I ask this: $1 billion of the District's budget goes to repay debt and to pensions. How do you propose to get us out of this mess? Aside from debt and pension obligations, labor costs are the biggest expense the School District has. You have a seat at the table now and I just hope you and your leadership know what you're doing. Do you have the political power to win this battle? And for pity's sake, the children who are sitting there needing their education are the pawns.

Submitted by HS teach (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 21:08.

Paul Krugman is a part of the Demo-Republican duopoly.
Political power is not handed down by a friendly city council or governor. It is won by a grassroots struggle. Read some good history books.

Submitted by Concerned Citizen (not verified) on Mon, 09/02/2013 - 10:28.

Why don't you read this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/02/opinion/krugman-love-for-labor-lost.ht...

Submitted by Joan Taylor on Mon, 09/02/2013 - 12:06.

He's right, and it's another reason why we shouldn't take a pay cut of any kind.

Submitted by HS teach (not verified) on Mon, 09/02/2013 - 12:19.

Very shallow: "bad, bad conservatives". No mention that the working people should not rely on government handouts, especially if they work full time. Businesses should be required to pay their workers living wage, otherwise, it is a taxpayers' subsidy to the business.

Submitted by Nikki Sonrisa (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 20:16.

Well said Joan!

Submitted by Joe K. (not verified) on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 10:06.

Whose financial reality are you discussing? The one orchestrated and manufactured by Corbett and his handlers??????????? Stop whining and start getting FURIOUS !!!!!!!!!!!!!! AT THEM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Submitted by Nikki Sonrisa (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 19:19.

I am right there with you in regard to teachers who have "checked-out"; these teachers are NOT good for student achievement and while I don't know what the ultimate answer is, I also don't believe in throwing the baby out with the bath water. There needs to be real discussion and input from teachers and all stakeholders regarding how we implement an effective system of teacher seniority that benefits students and keeps effective teachers. In addition, I am in agreement that we should pay something into our healthcare (and we will talk more about what the PFT is suggesting in that area); I am not in agreement that it should be up to the unelected SRC to govern how much it should be. And speaking of the SRC, I believe we need to immediately remove of the SRC and replace them with an elected school board that will make decisions with input and real consideration from all stakeholders (teachers, students, parents, community members).

Submitted by Joan Taylor on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 19:22.

Well, let's talk about work rules. You raise some valid points. I can't say I'm delighted by teachers who walk out at 3:19 (in my school), and I'd be happy to negotiate on that issue.

Principals can and should work to get incompetent teachers out. Competent principals are able to do so.

This sense that it is somehow a matter of justice for workers to pay towards health benefits is nonsense. It's a pay cut in disguise. Sadly it's a pay cut too many people have had to swallow, but two wrongs don't make a right. We have an economy that is walloping the middle class, and acting as if health benefits are something we don't deserve diminishes working people.

We have money to pay for salaries and benefits. We have the money to do much more for kids. The problem is not the teachers. We're an easy scapegoat. The problem is that we've gotten used to sucking up to the rich and to thinking that corporations are somehow public benefactors. They are not. More and more they are bloodsuckers who whine their way to the bank.

Submitted by Concerned Citizen (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 19:29.

Thanks for this discussion. We are all raising valid points and have plenty of areas where we agree. I hope these are the issues they are talking about when they sit around the bargaining table.

Submitted by Education Grad ... on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 21:22.

Joan,

I agree that there should be discussion about work rules.

One issue I have is the dismissal time ending on 9s or 4s. Why can't the school day start and end on 5s and 0s like most other schools and school districts with which I am familiar.

And I completely agree with you that principals can and should try to remove incompetent teachers. In my time as a student teacher and paraprofessional in the SDP, I have seen the harm that an "incompetent" teacher can do to students and the school environment. These teachers are not representative of most teachers, who are hard-working, competent, and caring individuals. But an incompetent teacher---e.g., one who sits at his/her desk doing paperwork during instructional time---is not only compromising the futures of children but also being a poor steward of public money.

The PFT also needs to hold the District's feet to the fire when it comes to supplies. It's ridiculous that teachers should have to buy paper just to do their job, e.g. print IEPs.

On the other hand, at the school at which I work, according to a couple of teachers, the principal did a good job of providing adequate paper. One teacher said that the principal was "very good about the paper" and she didn't have to buy any paper during the school year. So maybe the paper issue is one that principals have some discretion over? I don't know, but I'd be interested to hear others comment on it.

EGS

Submitted by Union (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 22:01.

Oh Lord. Did this kid just say she has an issue with the time beginning and ending in 4s and 9s? With what's at stake, that's what she's worrying about? LMAO.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE bring it up at the microphone on Monday so I can have a hearty laugh. I will love you forever.

Submitted by Teachin' (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 23:09.

Ed Grad, what say you to the proportionately larger number of incompetent principals, who behave like despots after seeking supervisory roles after they fail in the classroom?

Submitted by Joan Taylor on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 00:24.

It's not the principals. It's the governor, and our mayor, and the SRC, and Mr. Hite.

Submitted by West Philly Teacher (not verified) on Tue, 09/03/2013 - 11:16.

Thank you for saying this.

I wish more of the people outraged at lack of union attendance would consider WHY people are not attending. In many cases, it's less of personal apathy and more a byproduct of the union rhetoric of doom and gloom. Feeling as though you are constantly in the trenches and seeing how little the SRC takes us seriously makes it easy to check out.

I've taught for 6 years in the Philadelphia school district and have seen the splitting of the union membership getting worse and worse each year. While I absolutely agree the SRC has manufactured a lot of this discontent by laying off younger teachers every year and, in many cases, scaring off experienced teachers... the union continues to fail to address it.

The rally cry, "You are the union!" always comes out when people want to berate new and "apathetic" members... but what about when those more moderate members want to have a discussion about ALL of the contract negotiations-- not just the hot ticket items? Instead of being splintered by these differences of opinions, we should be having actual discussions around them. As it is being presented now, there's nothing but outrage and screaming about striking. While I was at the meeting last night and have been at all of the SRC meetings this summer, I can certainly understand young teachers who feel as though their voices aren't valued unless they're adding to the general "PFT! PFT! PFT!" cacophony.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 19:28.

In every profession you will find people who are not doing their best and that is a shame. There are in fact ways to work with these teachers so they get better or begin the process of dismissal for those that have totally checked out. Is this sometimes a long tedious process, yes, but there is a process in place. Different schools handle safety and climate differently. A solid leader lets it be known what is expected from his or her staff. Charter school better teachers are acting out of fear. How would you like to work where you could be let go without notice for the slightest infraction? And by the way, many charter school teachers do not pay anything for their healthcare. As a union we must stand together and say that we are professional who deserve to be treated fairly. We cannot give in the SRC, Nutter or Corbett. I support my children on my own, one with a disability but if a strike is what it takes to get the message across then that is what I will stand up and do.

Submitted by Education Grad ... on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 21:31.

Anonymous,

Have you ever spent time in a charter school? I have worked at two charter schools this summer (they are sister charter schools) and spent time at a Mastery school. Just because a teacher works at a charter school doesn't mean she/he works out of fear. I know many teachers who love working at charter schools.

The biggest concern about teachers at charter schools I have is what will happen when they work for a number of years at the school and become more expensive. At the Mastery school and the two sister charter schools, there were very few grey-haired teachers. Almost all of the teachers were in their 20s and 30s. So these young teachers may like working in charter schools now, but as they age and become more expensive, they may like it less and eventually find themselves out of a job unless they are among a select group of teachers. Time will tell. My point remains, though, that one cannot make blanket statements about charter schools.

EGS

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 19:04.

The announcement will be that the SRC will impose. The only way for the PFT to succeed is to strike.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 19:16.

I read in one article or other today that the district would make a statement when the contract expired. Any idea what time that might be expected?

Submitted by Headstart teacher (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 19:45.

Contract expires at midnight....

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 20:06.

I HOPE I AM STILL ALIVE WHEN THE DATA ABOUT CHARTER SCHOOLS IS COMPLETELY EXPOSED. WHEN THE SDP IS COMPLETELY TAKEN OVER BY CHARTERS AND IT WINDS UP THAT CHARTERS ARE NO BETTER THAN PUBLIC EDUCATION BECAUSE, AS I SAID BEFORE, SES MATTERS...A LOT!!!!!

Submitted by Headstart teacher (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 20:13.

I agree that charters are no better than - many much worse- than neighborhood schools but please.... STOP YELLING!!

Inside voices, ok?
:)

Submitted by HS teach (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 20:15.

If Jordan does not call a strike vote, can somebody else do it?
Strike is our only chance to maintain dignity. Personally, if the horrible conditions the district is talking about are imposed, and we go down without a fight, count me out.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 20:22.

The Union leaders have been very cryptic about a strike. I don't think Jerry has ever said, "There will NOT be a strike. Our members WON'T go out on strike". He has simply stated, "I will not call for a strike".
That being said, I don't know how a strike would happen. Would a member stand up at the mic and call for you, and then a yes or no vote? I dunno.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 22:34.

Cryptic is the word here but I understand that Jerry has not been able to publicly threaten the possibility of strike for whatever legal or political reason. He also did offer concessions when he spoke on Wednesday including pay freeze and health benefits. Gallard is expected to issue statement from district tonight whenever talks wrap up. We decide response on Monday night.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 20:18.

if you have any way of contacting your colleagues, remind them to show up MON! I did not get my card either and was told to bring school id, most recent paystub and/or insurance cards. You can not whine AND not show up at meeting. You can not whine and not be willing to stand up for yourself and our children. For all residents of Philly, let this serve as a wake-up call. Is our state and local government, remember, our elected officials, really treating their constituency like this? And we can not get the federal government to intervene? I thought we lived in a democracy and that our ELECTED officials represent their constituents? I thought I lived in the United States that prides itself on our Public education system and yet I feel like I'm in a dream living in some chaotic underdeveloped, undemocratic nation where people are not paid what they deserve, children are not entitled to an education, people are forced into unfair labor practices, etc, need I go on? No concessions will be enough money. I agree. This will not end. We must take action. Our students' parents will stand with us! I know. I am one of those parents!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 20:34.

concerned citizen, your ignorance saddens me to my core.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 20:40.

SORRY...CAN'T STOP YELLING WHEN I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PAY MY MORTGAGE IN A MONTH AND MY CHILDREN WILL BE HOMELESS :)??

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 20:45.

Lets be honest, the past history of unreasonable work rules, protection of poor teachers and the overall poor performance in many schools has created this environment. If the union is to remain viable, it must redefine and adjust with the changing world. I'm sure there will be aggressive responses to this. Those are the Peopke who are keeping us down.

Submitted by HS teach (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 20:59.

Can you specify the "adjustments"?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 20:51.

While everyone is focused on pay cuts and health benefits, I'm sitting here scratching my head about the other debatable proposals from the SDP such as no longer needing to provide copy machines, water fountains, and instructional materials. We've already been warned that we will be starting school with nothing, not that I have ever received much, but if our salary is cut and these other provisions go through, who exactly is going to be paying to provide the instructional materials and supplies for the thirty plus kids in each classroom. I have already received an email from my principal telling me that there will be no supplies this year, so I should go out and get everything that my kids need while it's on sale!?!? How can that even be right? Of course I spend a lot of money buying supplies every year, but now I"m being told to go out and buy them! If my salary is cut and I"m contributing more to my health benefits, then why should I be the one paying to provide the materials I need to teach? If I don't buy these materials and my instruction is influenced by a lack of materials, is that going to be reflected in my evaluation (you know the one that will be completed on the brand new Mac Airbooks that each principal received)? How much am I going to be spending on copying this year? Am I going to be expected to provide drinking water for the students? What about the proposal of requiring after school hours with no additional pay? How's that going to work? Unlimited evening meetings with no compensation? It goes on and on... If you haven't looked at the SDP proposal, then you should log into the pft website and take a look.

Submitted by HS teach (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 20:56.

"I have already received an email from my principal telling me that there will be no supplies this year, so I should go out and get everything that my kids need while it's on sale!?!?"

This is insane. STRIKE!!!

Submitted by Teachin' (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 21:18.

Buy nothing. That's what the district expects you to do. We probably won't even get our $100 allotment.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 01:24.

I am not spending any of my money this year. I usually spend close to 1k. NOT ANYMORE!!!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 21:02.

A strike is totally meaningless. School still have to be open for 180 days, so all that happens is an extended summer. Then teachers work through every holiday and late into June.

Plus keep in mind the Air Traffic Controllers. They said the same stuff about Reagan not having enough workers to man the airports. Well half of the Controllers returned and the other half were replaced, forever!

Submitted by Chuck (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 21:50.

Air traffic controllers (and coal miners in England, if you want to bring that one up too) are very different from educators in an urban area.

You are afraid. Cloaking it in very VERY embarrassingly cheap rhetoric is the type of attitude that needs to be dropped. Stop spreading fear with two poor examples. Would you rather have students have their education funded and your salary kept, minimally, where it is or miss your winter vacation and work until the end of June? You may be willing to be treated like shit, but many of us are not.

Submitted by Headstart teacher (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 21:51.

THAT is why it's all of us or nothing.

We all strike or whatever we decide and stick with it. No it's not 1973 and yes tho gas have changed but I want a better work environment for myself (yeah I said it, selfish me) and to be compensated somewhat fairly. We all do! If not now, when?????

Submitted by Juan (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 21:56.

Are you serious? You want to give up your rights and worry about 5 days at Christmas?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 04:48.

Yes, that is true. I had friends who lost their jobs who were air traffic controllers. Reagan was intent on breaking their union and he did!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 21:10.

'Those are the people keeping us down' you have it all wrong. POVERTY is what is keeping kids in Philly down and now this racist to governor on top of it. I am white and feel completely violated. I cannot imagine how the African American community feels. MLK is turning over in his grave. So sad.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 22:10.

I often leave within 10-15 minutes of end of day, as I rush off to my second job. However, I am at school 45 min early everyday. I object to the afterschool mandated time, as my "extra hour" is better in the am.

Submitted by A Teacher (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 22:40.

I also leave "on time" because I have to pick up my own children who get out a similar times. I also like to support them at sporting events. This makes me a bad teacher because I am running out of the building fifteen minutes after dismissal????...C'mon... I love my school children, but I will not let my own children miss out on my support. I must maintain the balance.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 22:46.

I concur, I work a second full-time job at night and rush off right after school but I also come in early every morning. Sometimes I feel like I work a second job just to support the first.

Submitted by Dan Fitzsimmons (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 22:43.

Definitely agree with this. I'm in school by 7 every morning (teacher day starts at 8:20). I work better in the morning than after a day at work. Many times I walk out the door with my students. It doesn't make me a bad teacher, or mean that I don't care enough about what I do.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 00:59.

and, let's face and admit that, some people simply take lots more time to do even a lesser job of the same tasks. all part of the same beautiful mosaic.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 04:41.

I am at work by 6:30am every morning, five days a week. And generally stay for about 20 minutes after school. But some days, I need to leave shortly after school is dismissed. I think it balances out! Then at home, I put in two to three hours at night. That's a pretty long day for anyone.

Submitted by SMH (not verified) on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 09:31.

Let's talk about the people who stay for an hour or more after school. I can only speak for my school, but the majority of people who stay aren't working, they are bullshitting. But it looks like they are better teachers because they don't leave school right after dismissal.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 08/31/2013 - 22:26.

Teachers, please stop justifying your salaries. I work damn hard and don't spend an extra dime on my classroom. Ya, I said it, not a dime, but I know one thing is true....I teach my ass off EVERY SINGLE DAY. I deserve every penny, and I do mean penny, that I make and so do you!!!!

Submitted by Union (not verified) on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 00:02.

Midnight has come and gone. What's the news?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 00:24.

So what happens now? Is it wishful thinking that they are still talking at this point? No one said anything about imposing a contract? Is this true or am I just too delusional at 12:24 am. This is insane that I (we) are up at this hour worrying about this!

Submitted by Headstart teacher (not verified) on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 00:43.

On Facebook it says they have not reached an agreement at this time so we will continue to work under the old contract.

They are still negotiating.

Submitted by Headstart teacher (not verified) on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 00:50.

It's an official PFT update. I can figure out how to copy and paste from my phone. Sorry.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 02:17.

The district also said NOTHING about us still working under the previous contract,,!!! Check your facts,,! Look at KYW site

Submitted by Paul Socolar on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 00:53.

The union is reporting "some progress" and that the contract remains in place. 
http://www.pft.org/Page.aspx?pgid=51&article=559

KYW is reporting talks resume Sunday:

 

Submitted by Education Grad ... on Sun, 09/01/2013 - 09:14.

What does "progress" entail? Is it really progress or just giving in?

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